Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

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Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby earth » Sat Aug 24, 2013 22:28 pm

Where does the name come from?

It sicks out in the lineup as the only name that is a number. Sora, Tiagra, *105*, Ultegra, Dura Ace.

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby doug5_10 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 22:48 pm

2300 is a number . . . although that is now Claris for 2014.

No idea for 105, developed from Golden Arrow/105 in late 80's, there have been theories on here before about it, can't remember any of them though!
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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby Alitogata » Sat Aug 24, 2013 23:34 pm

Lot of people have asked the same question in countless cycling fora.. But I wonder...why don't we send a mail to Shimano to ask them? :D

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby Chris Bass » Sun Aug 25, 2013 08:04 am

10 speed and 5th in the shimano road series? that's a complete guess though!
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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby Alitogata » Sun Aug 25, 2013 08:47 am

Chris Bass wrote:10 speed and 5th in the shimano road series? that's a complete guess though!


It wasn't always a 10sp groupset. When it was first released in the mid 80s was a six speed groupset. No .. the 105 number name has nothing to do with the speeds.

But I know how they gave the name.

It was late at night and Mr Tagashiro was finishing the last details with Mr Nagushi with lot of sake and noodles..

When Mr Tagashiro asked Mr. Nagushi, "how are we going to name the groupset" Mr Nagushi misheard ( he had drunk a lot of sake) and thought that he asked him "how old is your dad" ( in Japanese language these sound the same ) and replied 105 ( Japanese people live long) and then Mr Tagashiro replied "wow.. nice name! You are a genius Yoshi. Let's name it 105." Later when they realized the mistake, ( a couple of weeks later when they met again) it was too late to change it so they left it this way.. :P :P :lol:

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby Al Kidder » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:31 am

Perhaps a reference to alloy used. There is a system of numbers used to classify alloys used in industry

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby ju5t1n » Sun Aug 25, 2013 14:17 pm

I remember when Ultegra was called Shimano 600

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby hopak » Sun Aug 25, 2013 15:06 pm

105 things that can go wrong with it ?

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby DesWeller » Sun Aug 25, 2013 15:28 pm

I think you're over-thinking this.

It's just a brand name.

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby Alitogata » Sun Aug 25, 2013 20:33 pm

Ok here is what I found.
Number 5 is very important number in Japanese and generally in Buddhist tradition of Asian countries and also represents the element of metal. I don't know if this has anything to do with the choice of the number but for sure they wouldn't use numbers 4 or 9 as these considered as unlucky, because they sound same in Japanese language with the words death and suffering. ( interesting... :o )

Source 1here

Source here for how important is number 5 in their culture.

Source 3 here

Now I have to find what the numbers 10 or 100 mean for Japanese culture. ( perhaps don't mean anything at all..but a little google search doesn't hurt after all on this Sunday night).

( do we over-thinking it??? :D )

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby Alitogata » Sun Aug 25, 2013 20:45 pm

Pffff. don't spoil it.. it is funny and interesting.

Sora means "sky" in Japanese.
And 2300 is 2+3= 5 <--- five is good, four is bad..

I want to find what 100 or 10 means. Perhaps the number 105 sounds like something good in Japanese. :) ( com' mon.. help me a little). :lol:

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby Chris Bass » Sun Aug 25, 2013 21:45 pm

madasahattersley wrote:I can't help you, it's BS


+1

arent Tiagra and durable ace riddled with 4s and 9s?
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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby DesWeller » Sun Aug 25, 2013 22:06 pm

It's probably a secret message to an underground cabal of self-flagellating monks. Who also ride bicycles.

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby earth » Sun Aug 25, 2013 22:10 pm

Al Kidder wrote:Perhaps a reference to alloy used. There is a system of numbers used to classify alloys used in industry


I thought that might be how Dura Ace got its name - Duraluminium.

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby earth » Sun Aug 25, 2013 22:13 pm

DesWeller wrote:It's probably a secret message to an underground cabal of self-flagellating monks. Who also ride bicycles.



That was my other theory.

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby hipshot » Sun Aug 25, 2013 22:27 pm

In 1986 Shimano added the SIS and SLR features to its Exage 500EX groupset, and it was renamed 105. At the same time, they discontinued a whole host of former groupsets like the 200GS, 300GS, 400GS, and 500EX giving them names like Dura-Ace ( Duralumin alloy + Ace 'best') Ultegra = ( ultimate" + Integrity) I read somewhere that they wanted a name that evoked workmanlike qualities for the lower high end groupset. Quality with affordability. The most successful branded consumer item - with the strongest customer awareness in Japan - during the mid/late 1980s and which also happened to have the qualities Shimano was trying to promote was Levis 501 jeans, hence 105. Better than 'Qual-Afforda' I suppose.

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby earth » Sun Aug 25, 2013 23:20 pm

hipshot wrote:In 1986 Shimano added the SIS and SLR features to its Exage 500EX groupset, and it was renamed 105. At the same time, they discontinued a whole host of former groupsets like the 200GS, 300GS, 400GS, and 500EX giving them names like Dura-Ace ( Duralumin alloy + Ace 'best') Ultegra = ( ultimate" + Integrity) I read somewhere that they wanted a name that evoked workmanlike qualities for the lower high end groupset. Quality with affordability. The most successful branded consumer item - with the strongest customer awareness in Japan - during the mid/late 1980s and which also happened to have the qualities Shimano was trying to promote was Levis 501 jeans, hence 105. Better than 'Qual-Afforda' I suppose.



Very plausible.

Tiagra?

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby Mikey23 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 07:27 am

Rhymes with erectile dysfunction drug therefore symbol of virility...

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby Alitogata » Mon Aug 26, 2013 09:01 am

Mikey23 wrote:Rhymes with erectile dysfunction drug therefore symbol of virility...


That's right too... :lol:

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Re: Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

Postby Chris Bass » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:38 am

Mikey23 wrote:Rhymes with erectile dysfunction drug therefore symbol of virility...


would that not make it a symbol for needing assitance to be virile?
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