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Sky train

Postby EPO Delivery Man » Thu Aug 29, 2013 14:13 pm

Is it me or is the Sky lead-out train absolute b*llocks most of the time? compared to other teams it never seems to exist.

No wonder Cav left.

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Re: Sky train

Postby Turfle » Thu Aug 29, 2013 14:16 pm

They haven't even attempted a train since about March. Bit pointless when they have had no sprinters.

Cav had a train for every race he did last year, minus the Tour.

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Re: Sky train

Postby EPO Delivery Man » Thu Aug 29, 2013 14:37 pm

They have Boassan Hagan going for the sprints at the Vuelta, but he always seems to be his tod with no team mates around him.

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Re: Sky train

Postby cesco » Thu Aug 29, 2013 15:22 pm

It is, but then again it's not really part of their tactics is it? Shame for Bo Hagen indeed.

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Re: Sky train

Postby Richmond Racer » Thu Aug 29, 2013 16:45 pm

EBH is riding to build himself back up for the Worlds, after his crash in the Tour. Sky have come with a team for GC, no Sky sprint train really going all season as Turfle says.

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Re: Sky train

Postby Paul 8v » Thu Aug 29, 2013 20:53 pm

Next to Argos Shimano it doesn't look like anyone else has a train to be fair...

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Re: Sky train

Postby Pross » Thu Aug 29, 2013 21:08 pm

The form EBH has been in this season he could have the old HTC train and not come close. You don't waste support riders that Uran will need to work hard riding for a rider who may, on a good day, get a podium spot. He even got beaten by Martin who had ridden the whole stage solo today!

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Re: Sky train

Postby Bo Duke » Fri Aug 30, 2013 00:28 am

Sky have gone to sleep, half the team seem to have gone AWOL.
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Re: Sky train

Postby Tom Butcher » Fri Aug 30, 2013 09:24 am

Strong rider but not looking like he'll win the races his early promise suggested he might. Is there a case for suggesting a different team might suit him better ?
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Re: Sky train

Postby Richmond Racer » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:18 am

Tom Butcher wrote:Strong rider but not looking like he'll win the races his early promise suggested he might. Is there a case for suggesting a different team might suit him better ?



We go over this a lot. He seems to (usually) come into best form May-Sep. Doesnt matter what they/he do to make changes, including him leaving his old coach and working with a team coach since 2011, this doesnt seem to be something they can change to date, anyway. Which is a bit of a bummer for someone whose biggest goal is to win P-R - and who on paper should at least do a lot better than he does.

And because he still holds out for the Classics, he doesnt want to drop the kgs necessary to start thinking GT ambitions for himself, only as a support role in the mountains.

We know he can sprint - only 2 months ago he beat Meersman and Matthews in Stage 3, of the Dauphine. But he's inconsistent - and generally G's his best lead-out man on Sky, by a mile.

Also he doesnt come across at the most driven, ambitious rider. While people go on about how he should move to another team cos maybe that'll lead to him winning 'all those races people thought he should have by now'....EBH himself may be just very content with the team and its set-up there for him.

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Re: Sky train

Postby cougie » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:14 am

I thought Sky did a decent job in the Tour 2012 when they had Cav to work for. They've no super sprinter now so no need to have such a train. I did think that Cav wouldnt win any more stages with a different team and that seemed to come right. Then again he didnt have much luck this year.

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Re: Sky train

Postby Tom Butcher » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:21 am

Yeah I just think EBH isn't good enough a sprinter to work for - whether he isn't good enough because his focus has been working as a domestique for Wiggins and Froome is another question. I can't see him ever challenging in grand tours - but I imagine he's on good money given he was the next big thing when Sky signed him - strong rider though he is you wonder how much they are paying him to be a super domestique rather than someone who wins big races.
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Re: Sky train

Postby Richmond Racer » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:32 am

Tom Butcher wrote:Yeah I just think EBH isn't good enough a sprinter to work for - whether he isn't good enough because his focus has been working as a domestique for Wiggins and Froome is another question. I can't see him ever challenging in grand tours - but I imagine he's on good money given he was the next big thing when Sky signed him - strong rider though he is you wonder how much they are paying him to be a super domestique rather than someone who wins big races.



He's not cheap, that's for sure. However, he was still their 2nd highest UCI points scorer last year, and still delivered for the team:

stage at Tour of Algarve
stage at Dauphine
stage and overall at Tour of Norway
GP Plouay
stage at T-A
+ fair number of jerseys
+ integral part of the Dauphine and Tour winning teams

So on the balance, maybe last year was an OK return in their books, who knows

This year's going to look a lot bleaker

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Re: Sky train

Postby Mechanism » Fri Aug 30, 2013 17:01 pm

Nobody at the Vuelta can sprint better for sixth place than Edvald (ok there was a 7th and a 13th but still).

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Re: Sky train

Postby Paul 8v » Fri Aug 30, 2013 21:17 pm

I think you have hit the nail on the head there.

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Re: Sky train

Postby Paul 8v » Fri Aug 30, 2013 21:17 pm

I think you have hit the nail on the head there.

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Re: Sky train

Postby No tA Doctor » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:35 am

As much as anything, putting a sprint leadout in place in the final KMs has become a lot harder over the seasons since HTC folded (and hardly anyone else bothered fighting them for it). OPQS, Lotto, GreenEdge and Argos-Shimano are all fighting hard for the space. If you want to put your team up there then you've got to build a team to do that. You can't roll up with a team built to support a GC rider and expect to lead out a sprinter.
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Re: Sky train

Postby jibberjim » Sun Sep 01, 2013 13:47 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:He's not cheap, that's for sure. However, he was still their 2nd highest UCI points scorer last year, and still delivered for the team


2012? He was 3rd behind Wiggins and Froome...
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Re: Sky train

Postby ALIHISGREAT » Sun Sep 01, 2013 14:54 pm

Paul 8v wrote:I think you have hit the nail on the head there.


What we really should be criticising is the quality of Sky's domestiques at the Tour... They just disappeared on many occasions.

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Re: Sky train

Postby Paul 8v » Sun Sep 01, 2013 16:11 pm

Yeah, if your GC domestiques don't do well on a sprint train that's one thing, if they all bugger off apart from Richie Porte on a climb, that's another!


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