Big climbs with big bikes: who boasts the most?

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Big climbs with big bikes: who boasts the most?

Postby Azhar » Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:19 pm

Hello hello,

Just a quick question to Ask if my current road bike, a Claus butler elite 2011 with marathon pus tyres and 16 speed, is too heavy for a sportive. I use this bike to commute to work and ride as much as I can on the weekend. The weight of the frame along with the weight of tyres slow me down on the hills and after seeing the kind of bikes people were riding at Manchester 100 today I feel I would be at a huge disadvantage even though I'm comfortable on the bike and have averaged 16.5mph over 18 miles climbing 480ft....

I would love a new bike but money constraints won't allow me...yet..

Thanks :)

Edit: bike weighs approx 12kg maybe more.
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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby NapoleonD » Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:27 pm

You'll be fine. It's not a race.
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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby Simon Masterson » Sun Sep 01, 2013 13:07 pm

My main bike weighs 12kg. The whole weight thing is marketing and conformity more than anything else. Until you are very, very good, it is nothing more than a decidedly secondary factor, even on really tough climbs. (which we don't actually have in Great Britain anyway)

It remains to be said that your bike is at the heavier end of the spectrum for a road bike, but if you do what most people do at some point and buy a new posh ride, it will almost certainly be considerably lighter than that anyway. Educated guess says that a bike of that weight probably has heavy wheels too, so an upgrade pair would likely shave off a fair bit.

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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby dodgy » Sun Sep 01, 2013 13:35 pm

Simon Masterson wrote: even on really tough climbs. (which we don't actually have in Great Britain anyway)



:lol:

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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby ugo.santalucia » Sun Sep 01, 2013 13:39 pm

Next sunday I am doing the Etape Cymru on an 11 Kg bike and that's considerably hillier than your Manc. 100... so you are not alone there...
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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby Barteos » Sun Sep 01, 2013 14:24 pm

Azhar wrote:Hello hello,

Just a quick question to Ask if my current road bike, a Claus butler elite 2011 with marathon pus tyres and 16 speed, is too heavy for a sportive. I use this bike to commute to work and ride as much as I can on the weekend. The weight of the frame along with the weight of tyres slow me down on the hills and after seeing the kind of bikes people were riding at Manchester 100 today I feel I would be at a huge disadvantage even though I'm comfortable on the bike and have averaged 16.5mph over 18 miles climbing 480ft....

I would love a new bike but money constraints won't allow me...yet..

Thanks :)

Edit: bike weighs approx 12kg maybe more.


You are concentrating too much (and irrationally) on the weight alone.
In percentage terms the difference between e.g. 9kg and 12kg is very small when you take into account your own body weight (which you didn't mention BTW...). Also heavier tyres/wheels don't roll slower per se.

If there is anything that may be slowing you down at the moment it's the Marathon Plus tyres and it's got nothing to do with their weight. They have very thick casing with bomb-roof puncture system that add extra rolling resistance.
Putting a pair of 25mm GP4000s on should make a noticeable (actual) difference to your speed and you could use those tyres for events and at weekends.

Your average speed will have very little to do with the price and weight of your bike. It's about legs and riding position :wink:
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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby Simon E » Sun Sep 01, 2013 15:20 pm

12 kg isn't so bad but Marathon Plus are very draggy tyres. If you can afford it then I'd swap them for something lighter and faster-rolling (from what I've read that just about anything apart from knobblies!). I have been running Schwalbe Blizzard Sport tyres on my training/commuting bike and found them surprisingly good. They cost less than £10 each :)
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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby thejimmymethod » Sun Sep 01, 2013 18:29 pm

It's only too heavy if you're not fit enough. Sure, something lighter might be a bit quicker or easier but you'd be spending more more money for smaller gains. Keep riding, get fitter, ride longer and ride harder and you'll get more out of cycling than spaffing money on lightness. Plus you get to feel super smug when you go past someone on there mid life crisis riding your 'heavy' bike :lol:

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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby Bobbinogs » Sun Sep 01, 2013 19:26 pm

As per the above, your bike is not too heavy but your tyres are built for trundling along bike paths and the like. I would actually think about buying another set of wheels and then fit them out with new tyres (as others have suggested) and a new cassette. Then you could swap quickly for more sporty rides at the w/e, etc., and swap back for the commute.

£300 would get you a decent set of wheels, cassette and nice tyres that would transform your ride from an enjoyment point of view. Lot's of options but bear in mind that the weather is about to change so maybe handbuilts would be a good choice for wheels as the rims can be easily replaced after a few tough winters.

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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby Arthur Scrimshaw » Sun Sep 01, 2013 19:33 pm

I've seen people on MTBs ride Sportives, doesn't mean they're slow either!

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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby markhewitt1978 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 19:39 pm

Most sportives you can do on any bike so it matters zero.

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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby Azhar » Mon Sep 02, 2013 06:15 am

thanks everyone for your replies. My bike is more of an entry level bike that i bought a couple years ago and now i use it to commute (approx 100 miles a week) and ride on the weekends. I was always under the impression that to be in a sportive you had to have a really decent road bike to get a good result (i realise its not competitive) so i'm glad to read that other cyclists have heavy bikes as well. :)

following the advice from several people above i will be visiting my LBS to get a pair of the continental 400s GP tyres. I've seen the weight difference on wiggle between the 4000s and marathon plus tyres and i'm looking forward to seeing the changes when i ride on different tyres.

thanks again. have a nice day.

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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby Rolf F » Mon Sep 02, 2013 07:33 am

dodgy wrote:
Simon Masterson wrote: even on really tough climbs. (which we don't actually have in Great Britain anyway)



:lol:


Indeed! I think Simon may have received a knock to his noggin!
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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby paul_mck » Mon Sep 02, 2013 07:35 am

man the f**k up dude.

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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby simonhead » Mon Sep 02, 2013 08:11 am

I think the OP is looking for a reason to press the button on a new bike. Maybe the wife has said "theres nothing wrong with your bike" and he is looking for some more experienced cyclists to tell him that shelling out on a carbon bike with funky wheels is absolutely what he needs to do.
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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby markhewitt1978 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 08:23 am

simonhead wrote:I think the OP is looking for a reason to press the button on a new bike. Maybe the wife has said "theres nothing wrong with your bike" and he is looking for some more experienced cyclists to tell him that shelling out on a carbon bike with funky wheels is absolutely what he needs to do.


Azhar,
Your bike is the worst I've ever seen. If you turn up to a Sportive on that not only will all the other cyclists laugh and point at you, the organiser will tell you go to home again because your bike is awful.

Does that help? :D

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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby Simon Masterson » Mon Sep 02, 2013 08:26 am

Rolf F wrote:
dodgy wrote:
Simon Masterson wrote: even on really tough climbs. (which we don't actually have in Great Britain anyway)



:lol:


Indeed! I think Simon may have received a knock to his noggin!


Oops, I forgot about the British alps. Silly me. ;)

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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby Slowbike » Mon Sep 02, 2013 08:31 am

Azhar wrote:thanks everyone for your replies. My bike is more of an entry level bike that i bought a couple years ago and now i use it to commute (approx 100 miles a week) and ride on the weekends. I was always under the impression that to be in a sportive you had to have a really decent road bike to get a good result (i realise its not competitive) so i'm glad to read that other cyclists have heavy bikes as well. :)

Entry level bikes are just fine - it's more the engine than the drive train that matters.

Those ppl on £6k road bikes doing sportives are just kidding themselves - they don't need to spend that much on a bike - they'd be just as quick on a £600 bike... but it's their money! or well, it was!

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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby markhewitt1978 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 08:34 am

Slowbike wrote:
Those ppl on £6k road bikes doing sportives are just kidding themselves - they don't need to spend that much on a bike - they'd be just as quick on a £600 bike... but it's their money! or well, it was!


They won't be *as* quick but they'll quite probably be *nearly* as quick. Of course, riding a better bike is more fun, and that's why we do sportives, it isn't like commuting where it's only really time that matters.

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Re: Bike heavy for sportive

Postby CiB » Mon Sep 02, 2013 08:42 am

Slowbike wrote:Those ppl on £6k road bikes doing sportives are just kidding themselves - they don't need to spend that much on a bike - they'd be just as quick on a £600 bike... but it's their money! or well, it was!

There are numersous reasons for spending more on a bike, just as there are for buying a nicer car instead of a base model or a decent hi-fi in place of a one-box stereo system. At least one of those reasons is simply having the money available in the first place. Why buy something that you don't really want just because it saves a few hundred quid? What would you do with that money instead, if there were enough of it that the odd few hundred quid doesn't make a jot of difference anyway?

Just asking...


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