Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

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Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby Il Biondo » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:16 am

Sooo it is time for me to look at some options regarding carbon wheels and i mean normal wheels that have a "carbon shell" (like Cosmic Carbon SL etc.).. :!:

Looking for:
- Clincher wheels
- Wheels that i can use as everyday training wheel (ride 1-3 times a week).
- Wheels that could give me an advantage when doing a timetrial/tri-comp. (90 km MAX)
- Wheels that is stiff enough for my 190 lbs/86-87 kg.
- Wheels that fits my Campagnolo Veloce group.

I live i a not so hilly area, mostly flat roads with a few bumps, almost always head or tailwind on most of my rides..

Options as i see it:
- Cosmic Carbone SL (they do look smashing IMO)
- Been offered a set of 3 year old (used for about 1000 km) HED Jet 6FR, reviews are good but I'm concerned about my weight!!

I bet there are many other wheels out there that i don't even know about so please give me some advice :D

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Re: Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby Grill » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:26 am

For actual aero benefit the Jet 6FR fits the bill. The Zipp 60 should be fine as well (I assume you're wanting to stick with an alu braking surface otherwise the 404FC is a better option).

Whatever you chose they're going to be heavy, so as long as you're fine with that then go ahead.
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Re: Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby ugo.santalucia » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:47 am

The HED Jet are superior in terms of aerodynamics... interestingly they also use J spokes (at least at the rear), which means they are easy to fix and rebuild if needs be.
On the contrary, the Cosmic use proprietary parts, which makes any repair/rebuild very troublesome

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Re: Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby alan sherman » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:53 am

You are not a wheeler from Kingston are you?

Recent thread on the club forum with info that may be usful:
http://www.kingstonwheelers.co.uk/kwccf ... 6b0700facf

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Re: Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby Il Biondo » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:26 pm

alan sherman wrote:You are not a wheeler from Kingston are you?

Recent thread on the club forum with info that may be usful:
http://www.kingstonwheelers.co.uk/kwccf ... 6b0700facf


Far from :D I'm from Denmark..

But thanks for the link.

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Re: Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby Il Biondo » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:27 pm

Grill wrote:For actual aero benefit the Jet 6FR fits the bill. The Zipp 60 should be fine as well (I assume you're wanting to stick with an alu braking surface otherwise the 404FC is a better option).

Whatever you chose they're going to be heavy, so as long as you're fine with that then go ahead.


I know that the weight isn't exactly light, but i have the legs to push them around :wink: and i have a budget :x

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Re: Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby gabriel959 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:46 pm

Seeing as you live in Denmark which is pan flat, why not go full carbon as braking is probably not so much of a problem there?
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Re: Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby Il Biondo » Thu Sep 05, 2013 13:33 pm

gabriel959 wrote:Seeing as you live in Denmark which is pan flat, why not go full carbon as braking is probably not so much of a problem there?


A question of money :oops:

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Re: Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby brettjmcc » Thu Sep 05, 2013 13:38 pm

You should be OK on the Jet6. They only say you need to have it built up over a rider weight of 90Kg
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Re: Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby Crozza » Thu Sep 05, 2013 15:46 pm

the buying process seems to be a royal pain, but for your requirements these seem to fit the bill

http://www.flocycling.com/

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Re: Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby ugo.santalucia » Thu Sep 05, 2013 16:02 pm

Crozza wrote:the buying process seems to be a royal pain, but for your requirements these seem to fit the bill

http://www.flocycling.com/
Yes, but as discussed on the KW forum, these are wheels for people who want to do time trials... who don't mind them being 2 Kg for the set, In other words they are dedicated wheels.
I think the FLO belong to a world of triathlon and time trials rather than road cycling.

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Re: Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby Crozza » Thu Sep 05, 2013 16:43 pm

ugo.santalucia wrote:
Crozza wrote:the buying process seems to be a royal pain, but for your requirements these seem to fit the bill

http://www.flocycling.com/
Yes, but as discussed on the KW forum, these are wheels for people who want to do time trials... who don't mind them being 2 Kg for the set, In other words they are dedicated wheels.
I think the FLO belong to a world of triathlon and time trials rather than road cycling.


so you mean that they fit the OP's requirements, as listed in his post, exactly?

interesting that you mention the weight as a negative feature here, when in all your other posts you say it doesn't matter.

also interesting that you say the HED jets are OK - they are the same concept as these except more expensive and second hand

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Re: Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby ugo.santalucia » Thu Sep 05, 2013 16:59 pm

Personally I can't care less what the OP decides to buy, but, as I pointed out on the other forum, I don't think people will buy them as road wheels... as TT wheels yes.
IME as soon as you mention 1.8 Kg people run away, let alone 2 Kg! I seem to recall the HED are significantly lighter... does it matter? Well, if it's all weight on the rim it does matter for road riding, I'm afraid.... maybe on the lonely B roads of Denmark not so much, but round here it does.

Re. light wheels: I always say the hub is irrelevant and the rim needs to be light but not as light as to become "bendy"... there is a happy medium, which is not 300 grams and it's not 800 grams, either of those will be less than ideal for road riding... for time trialling, that's a different story.

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Re: Wheels with carbon for aero benefits

Postby Il Biondo » Thu Sep 05, 2013 18:14 pm

I want to use them mainly for normal road biking (training/"races") but also for the occasional tri-comp. and training for a triathlon. I have bought carbon stryke extensions and a fast forward seat post for the tri-comp.

So to have a set of wheels that is a bit more aero than my current Fulcrum 7's, that can stand my weight and to be used 1-3 times a week for 40-90 km trips and that look nice on my bike is what i would like :)


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