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Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby broona » Mon Sep 16, 2013 21:43 pm

As a mountain biker at heart, I'm not a big fan of rim brakes, or at least any of the ones I've used recently, so I'm tempted by a racing bike with disc brakes, anyone have any experience of them?

Love the look of the Charge Plug 5, seems reasonably well specced for the price, and a little different from the norm to boot, any opinions please - http://www.chargebikes.com/bicycle-collection/plug-5

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby Kajjal » Mon Sep 16, 2013 22:59 pm

Coming from the same background I found properly setup 105 brakes work well for me. They are sharp enough to lock the wheels up rapidly but with enough modulation / feel so you don't. Disc brakes would be an improvement but thinner tyres and no suspension mean less traction for braking compared to a MTB.

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby night_porter » Mon Sep 16, 2013 23:05 pm

Or for half of that price you could get this http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/CBP ... _road_bike

I don't know the weight of the Charge but Tange steel is the same weight as chromoly/Reymolds 525/Maxwall so should be similar to the Kaff2.

I have a Kaff2 with Sram Rival (£850) and it stops brilliantly wet or dry with the very same Avid BB7's

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby FatTed » Tue Sep 17, 2013 07:17 am

If you must
Colnago C59 Disc
http://www.colnago.com/c59-disc/

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby jordan_217 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 07:27 am

FatTed wrote:If you must
Colnago C59 Disc
http://www.colnago.com/c59-disc/


Hmm, Colnago's site doesn't show the red/grey/white colour scheme anymore. My fave modern bike!
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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby Veronese68 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 09:09 am

night_porter wrote:Or for half of that price you could get this http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/CBP ... _road_bike

I don't know the weight of the Charge but Tange steel is the same weight as chromoly/Reymolds 525/Maxwall so should be similar to the Kaff2.

I have a Kaff2 with Sram Rival (£850) and it stops brilliantly wet or dry with the very same Avid BB7's

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The picture in the link to the charge is wrong. The picture clearly has cable brakes, but the spec lists hydraulic brakes. Hydraulics should feel better than cable brakes, although I've never tried them on a road bike. Agree about BB7s being excellent whatever the weather, mine are a vast improvement on the cantis my previous bike had.

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:29 am

Forget about the Colnago, which is silly... the Genesis Equilibrium 2014 disc is likely to be a milestone... nice and affordable

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby nufc_fan » Tue Sep 17, 2013 13:09 pm

The equilibrium disc looks great. Will it be too heavy for the average roadie?

I do 2 quick 20miles per week with a few sportives in the summer and longer rides. Would it hamper performance? Is the comfort at expense of speed? Especially on long climbs?

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue Sep 17, 2013 13:14 pm

nufc_fan wrote:The equilibrium disc looks great. Will it be too heavy for the average roadie?

I do 2 quick 20miles per week with a few sportives in the summer and longer rides. Would it hamper performance? Is the comfort at expense of speed? Especially on long climbs?


I think it will come at under 10 Kg, but not by much. If you are looking for a lean and mean machine, then it is not for you... if you are happy with sacrificing 10 minutes in a sportive, then probably it is.
I am surprised it doesn't come with a carbon fork, which it should...

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby trek_dan » Tue Sep 17, 2013 14:49 pm

Is a Planet X XLS not in budget?

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue Sep 17, 2013 14:57 pm

trek_dan wrote:Is a Planet X XLS not in budget?


It's a cross frame... I love cross frames, but they're not everyone's cup of tea... you're higher up on the road, as there is more BB clearance... also the riding position is a bit different, although not less racey than some road frames branded as "sportive"

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby robbo2011 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 16:12 pm

BMC do some nice disc road bikes (GF01 and GF02 disc). Looks aren't to everyone's taste though.

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby passout » Tue Sep 17, 2013 16:22 pm

Kinesis Tripster I'd say - check out the Fatbirds websites (they sell bikes, honest). Genesis looks nice too.
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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue Sep 17, 2013 17:59 pm

robbo2011 wrote:BMC do some nice disc road bikes (GF01 and GF02 disc). Looks aren't to everyone's taste though.


Yes, but these are bankers bikes... kind of stuff that comes built at 10 K

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby robbo2011 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 18:49 pm

No, last years GF02 disc was CHF2000 over here, equivalent to £1360. Miles better frames that the Genesis bikes too.

I own a Genesis btw.

Here's the 2014 model, I imagine it is a similar price. Marmite looks and colour.

http://www.bmc-racing.com/ch-en/bikes/r ... c/105.html
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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue Sep 17, 2013 19:15 pm

robbo2011 wrote:No, last years GF02 disc was CHF2000 over here, equivalent to £1360. Miles better frames that the Genesis bikes too.

I own a Genesis btw.


It's a cross bike...

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby broona » Tue Sep 17, 2013 19:18 pm

Thanks for all the replies (apart from the £10k Colnago, lol!)

Looking to spend up to £1500'ish, so the Planet X XLS is well within budget and looks to be about the best specced for the price. I've never ridden a cyclocross bike before, how would the geometry compare to something like my previous Giant Defy?

The Genesis Equilibrium and BMC GF02 look decent too, but the Kinesis Tripster on Fatbirds is £1300 for frame and fork only, ouch! Is this the same bike - http://www.kinesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/decade/tripster

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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby CookeeeMonster » Tue Sep 17, 2013 19:39 pm

Sorry, back to the original post, I was looking at the one down (plug 4) and like the plug 5, it's in the road bike section of Evans (and others) website yet it looks very, very much like a cyclocross - cable runs along the top tube, 28c tyres, disc brakes and so on.

Looks great but yet to see any reviews appear
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Re: Road bike with disc brakes?

Postby springtide9 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 19:47 pm

I have the XLS that is built up as a winter bike - and it works really well.

There doesn't seem a huge amount of difference in BB height between this and my N2A. I believe the Dirty Disco has a slacker frame with more ground clearance etc. If anything, it almost feels lower than the race bike.

The XLS has a very similar to seat to bar drop as my PX N2A - so not exactly a commuter frame. Many people have commented on the aggressive drop - even for a road bike (and with spacers), although I do have longish legs.

The most noticeable differences between the N2A and the XLS in terms of geometry are (a) shorter top tube on the XLS (approx 10mm in a Large) & (b) slacker fork rake.

The frame is pretty stuff, but also seems to offer a far amount of damping. I think part of the dampening is related to running 28mm tyres, but also part down to the slacker angle on the forks.

Couple this with the great BB7 brakes, it was enjoyable to ride tearing down steep/badly surfaced/potholed/random gravel/wet hill. On the road bike, it's very much a "steady as she goes " - just waiting to slide out.

In terms of difference in speed when riding, there is hardly any difference at all. One thing that I would recommend mind you are better wheels than the standard set, as although bullet proof, are pretty heavy. You might have guessed - I highly recommend it.

The XLS is so enjoyable to ride that my N2A is now full time on the turbo and will only be using the XLS until the spring (apart from obviously the odd ride). The only other thing to mention is the gearing. The default gearing is a 2x10 with 36/46 on the front and 11-28 on the rear. If you are used to riding a compact with 34/50 and 11-26 then you'll find the 36/28 similar gearing, but obviously 46/11 on the top end isn't as tall. But the chainrings are standard 110 BCD so can be replaced (will probably get a 50 for the front at some point)
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