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Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby Greg66 Tri v2.0 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 14:00 pm

http://www.wandsworthguardian.co.uk/new ... mond_Park/

I've seen the cops circulating, and once or twice seen them with speed guns, but taking someone to court?
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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby wandsworth » Wed Sep 18, 2013 14:02 pm

So why a victim surcharge? The report doesn't say that he hit someone. Did he wake up a driver as he sped past them?
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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby Veronese68 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 14:13 pm

The victim surcharge will be divvied up amongst all the people that complain about cyclists speeding in the park. So £15 divided amongst several thousand then, that'll go far.

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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby Wrath Rob » Wed Sep 18, 2013 14:14 pm

Only 37mph? Pah, they need to get around to Dark Hill, you can hit 40mph down there so I've been told, I'd never condone that

I saw them in Roehampton Gate car park last week, lasering people coming along from Robin Hood gate, so its not just Sawyers.
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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby wandsworth » Wed Sep 18, 2013 14:18 pm

Wrath Rob wrote:I saw them in Roehampton Gate car park last week, tasering people coming along from Robin Hood gate, so its not just Sawyers.


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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby BigMat » Wed Sep 18, 2013 14:34 pm

Pretty pathetic use of police resources, but rules is rules I suppose. This country (shakes head...)

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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby Greg66 Tri v2.0 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 14:38 pm

BigMat wrote:Pretty pathetic use of police resources, but rules is rules I suppose. This country (shakes head...)


Personally, I take heart from this. It means that that day they'd caught all the murderers, rapists, robbers, armed robbers etc that were there to be caught, and got all the way down the list to "cyclists speeding in the Royal Parks".

Oh, wait...
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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby TheStone » Wed Sep 18, 2013 15:05 pm

Must be more to this. If he was doing 37mph on the grass, through people's picnics, it might be justified.

Does he get a criminal record?

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Postby Agent57 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 15:07 pm

As far as I recall, speed limits on UK roads apply to motorised vehicles, which wouldn't apply to a bicycle. Royal parks may be a special case:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010 ... ion/1/made

“vehicle” means a mechanically propelled vehicle intended or adapted for use on a road.


I guess that includes bicycles as being "mechanically propelled", even if not motorised.
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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby Greg66 Tri v2.0 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 15:14 pm

TheStone wrote:Must be more to this. If he was doing 37mph on the grass, through people's picnics, it might be justified.

Does he get a criminal record?


I think he does (although for most purposes it becomes spent after a year). Bit much considering that a driver speeding in the park would get x points plus fine but no criminal record.
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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby Sharkyssurfers » Wed Sep 18, 2013 15:19 pm

TheStone wrote:
Does he get a criminal record?


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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby Slowbike » Wed Sep 18, 2013 15:21 pm

Agent57 wrote:As far as I recall, speed limits on UK roads apply to motorised vehicles, which wouldn't apply to a bicycle. Royal parks may be a special case:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010 ... ion/1/made

“vehicle” means a mechanically propelled vehicle intended or adapted for use on a road.


I guess that includes bicycles as being "mechanically propelled", even if not motorised.


The parks have special regulations ... cycling is restricted to designated cyclepaths (inc roads) and cyclists must adhere to the speed limit. I would think the only valid defence would be that he didn't have any method of measuring speed - he's not required by law to have one either. But these days, with everyone having GPS, phones or computers on their stems it's less likely! I suppose you could argue that the GPS was not set to show speed or the computer was not calibrated correctly...

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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby rjsterry » Wed Sep 18, 2013 15:55 pm

I think if you were doing 37mph, you'd have a job to claim that you had no way of knowing that you were travelling faster than 20mph.
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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby prj45 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 17:27 pm

I sort of support this. I KNOW there are probably better things that the police can be doning, but when I see strava segments in Richmond park of 50mph it's gotta stop really, that's just stupid, and er, dangerous. A fair few times I've had to go far left to avoid some knob coming down the steep bit who's had to take the whole of the carriageway so they can maintain their silly speed so they can get their sub 20min lap

Sorry, it's 20mph limit, I have no sympathy for those that are fined for breaking it if you want to ride quick go out on the big roads.

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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby prj45 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 17:34 pm

Agent57 wrote:As far as I recall, speed limits on UK roads apply to motorised vehicles, which wouldn't apply to a bicycle. Royal parks may be a special case:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010 ... ion/1/made

“vehicle” means a mechanically propelled vehicle intended or adapted for use on a road.


I guess that includes bicycles as being "mechanically propelled", even if not motorised.


Laws of the royal parks have left the "mechanically propelled" bit out (which effectively means motorised in this context).


Acts in a Park for which written permission is required:

(28) drive or ride any vehicle on a Park road in excess of the speed specified in relation to that road in Part II of Schedule 2 to these Regulations;


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997 ... ion/4/made

I guess the guys and girls that rode through during the Olympics had the required permissions...
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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby guinea » Wed Sep 18, 2013 17:36 pm

Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:
TheStone wrote:Must be more to this. If he was doing 37mph on the grass, through people's picnics, it might be justified.

Does he get a criminal record?


I think he does (although for most purposes it becomes spent after a year). Bit much considering that a driver speeding in the park would get x points plus fine but no criminal record.


This is an issue that's worth having a little more clarity.

The lawyers, bankers and consultants that pootle around there on their £6k bikes could potentially lose their jobs or not get another if they get a criminal record.

Most of these places require regular CRB checks.

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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby prj45 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 17:37 pm

Out of interest, what does that make the quickest possible lap time if you don't exceed the speed limit?

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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby monkimark » Wed Sep 18, 2013 17:44 pm

37mph on a silent vehicle down a road through a park is silly and I don't have a problem with enforcement but I don't think anyone should be gettig a criminal record for riding their bike too fast.
I'd be interested to know what the charge was (and how they managed to stop him)

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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby guinea » Wed Sep 18, 2013 17:53 pm

prj45 wrote:Out of interest, what does that make the quickest possible lap time if you don't exceed the speed limit?

A couple of seconds under 20 minutes.

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Re: Richmond Park riders, beware!

Postby prj45 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 17:57 pm

Well, there you go everybody, there's your sub 20 minute lap there, just do 20 all the way round, quite a challenge I assure you!


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