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Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby simonhead » Tue Oct 08, 2013 14:11 pm

Shees been given the boot from the shadow cabinet, not sure if its a good or bad thing but seems a reaction to her disagreeing with the party line.
I cant stand her.
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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby roger merriman » Tue Oct 08, 2013 14:24 pm

Not seen the why but she has said some cras and raceist comments over the years. Most mp's are dull she's not dull but she hardly seems nice either.

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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby daviesee » Tue Oct 08, 2013 14:26 pm

Possibly suits her so she can concentrate on This Week, that show after Question Time?

She seems to get on surprisingly well with Michael Portillo. :?
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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby mrfpb » Tue Oct 08, 2013 15:58 pm

daviesee wrote:She seems to get on surprisingly well with Michael Portillo.


They went to the same school apparently. They were a good double act on This Week until she got ambitious. This Week is a place for ex-ministers and more independent minded MPs, Question Time is for Ministers and Spokesmen, Have I got News For You is for wannabe Ministers.

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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby DonDaddyD » Tue Oct 08, 2013 16:18 pm

Always knocking the black (wo)man down.... what oh, sorry this isn't Bottom Bracket.

OK, seriously, I liked Diane Abbott for trying; she was a woman, a black woman, an MP and on the Shadow Cabinet. Some, if not all of that, will mean nothing to many of you and others will find it marginally offensive but to mean it was inspiring to witness. However, having said that, how she went about things and spreading 'the message' (black empowerment/awareness/etc message) appeared dated. Like she needed to be in the 80s or 90s or something.

Time has moved on and the 'black identity/culture' has all but and mostly integrated within British Culture - what with the 2nd - 4th generation offspring of the Carribbean/African who landed migrants decades ago. In short many of the things faced by the youth of today are shared challenges over and above ethnicity and race (which is why I'm so aware of racism received from some Eastern Europeans ilPrincipe).

I much prefer Chuka Umunna who is simply there on merit for his talents and lets that do the talking as part of ethnic awareness as oppose to the ramrod that was Mrs Abbott.

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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby First Aspect » Tue Oct 08, 2013 18:20 pm

Diane Abbott has had to overcome many hurdles to get where she is, many more than most of her colleagues. For example, she's had to earn promotion despite talking absolute hogwash the great majority of the time.

She's a flagrant self-publicist. What odds are Paddy Power giving for an appearance on Strictly next year?

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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby First Aspect » Tue Oct 08, 2013 18:22 pm

mrfpb wrote:
daviesee wrote:She seems to get on surprisingly well with Michael Portillo.


They went to the same school apparently. They were a good double act on This Week until she got ambitious. This Week is a place for ex-ministers and more independent minded MPs, Question Time is for Ministers and Spokesmen, Have I got News For You is for wannabe Ministers.

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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby Ballysmate » Tue Oct 08, 2013 18:38 pm

That would be the socialist Mp who sent her son to a private school whist publicly espousing the view that they should be abolished.

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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby mrfpb » Tue Oct 08, 2013 18:43 pm

First Aspect wrote:Diane Abbott has had to overcome many hurdles to get where she is, many more than most of her colleagues. For example, she's had to earn promotion despite talking absolute hogwash the great majority of the time.

She's a flagrant self-publicist.
What odds are Paddy Power giving for an appearance on Strictly next year?


So unlike your typical cabinet minister then!

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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby simonhead » Tue Oct 08, 2013 19:09 pm

DonDaddyD wrote:Always knocking the black (wo)man down.... what oh, sorry this isn't Bottom Bracket. .


Was there any need for that? It may have been a comment in jest but is the sort of comment that gives people the wrong idea about BB.
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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby notsoblue » Tue Oct 08, 2013 19:09 pm

Diane Abbott is a terrible terrible politician. Total hypocrite who lacks any integrity. I'm glad shes no longer in a position of influence in the Labour party...

I was at an Any Questions? a little while back where she appeared on the same panel as Nigel Farrage, and she managed to speak less sense about multculturalism in Britain than him.

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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby notsoblue » Tue Oct 08, 2013 19:11 pm

simonhead wrote:
DonDaddyD wrote:Always knocking the black (wo)man down.... what oh, sorry this isn't Bottom Bracket. .


Was there any need for that? It may have been a comment in jest but is the sort of comment that gives people the wrong idea about BB.

Gives you the right idea about DDD though...

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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby antfly » Tue Oct 08, 2013 20:11 pm

People have short memories. She was in Blair's first cabinet and out at the first reshuffle so it's a case of history repeating..
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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby stu-bim » Wed Oct 09, 2013 00:13 am

notsoblue wrote:Diane Abbott is a terrible terrible politician. Total hypocrite who lacks any integrity.


Sounds like some of the most successful politicians
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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby ddraver » Wed Oct 09, 2013 07:55 am

Good, She is everything that is wrong with British Politics.

If I thought people could be adult about it I'd say she needs a slap (and I'd put here way before Jeremy Hunt or Michael Gove who would be second and third), but DDD is going to get all faux-feminazi so i wont...
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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby spen666 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 08:36 am

Rod Liddle says she is Britain's mostaccomplished black politician.


That set me wondering, who is/ was the most successful black politician we have had in the UK.
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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby DonDaddyD » Wed Oct 09, 2013 09:53 am

spen666 wrote:Rod Liddle says she is Britain's mostaccomplished black politician.


That set me wondering, who is/was the most successful black politician we have had in the UK.

Diane Abbott.
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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby spen666 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:06 am

DonDaddyD wrote:
spen666 wrote:Rod Liddle says she is Britain's mostaccomplished black politician.


That set me wondering, who is/was the most successful black politician we have had in the UK.

Diane Abbott.


If she is the most successful black politician, it is a poor indictment of eeither or both of the black politicians and our society. Her achievements are being sacked from cabinet and shadow cabinet and being a hypocrit in sending her child to a private school at the same time as campagaining against people having the right to send their children to such schools.

In the USA they have a black president. We seem to have had few black politicians even to become cabinet ministers, let alone achieve immediately recogniseable success.
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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby jedster » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:08 am

"I much prefer Chuka Umunna who is simply there on merit for his talents and lets that do the talking as part of ethnic awareness as oppose to the ramrod that was Mrs Abbott"

I think he is a very talented guy. But I find it utterly absurd and a mark of a lot that is wrong with Brtish politics that he and Milliband think that 3 years working as an employment lawyer qualifies him to be head of the DTI (shadow obviously but presumably chosen because he could be the minister if they win). In politics today you do the internships, research positions, a bit of student politics and your political colleagues think you know enough about the world to run the country. Ridiculous. If you are a star at Sandhurst and do a great job of leading your first platoon they dont make you an admiral...

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Re: Diane Abbott Sacked

Postby spen666 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:16 am

jedster wrote:"I much prefer Chuka Umunna who is simply there on merit for his talents and lets that do the talking as part of ethnic awareness as oppose to the ramrod that was Mrs Abbott"

I think he is a very talented guy. But I find it utterly absurd and a mark of a lot that is wrong with Brtish politics that he and Milliband think that 3 years working as an employment lawyer qualifies him to be head of the DTI (shadow obviously but presumably chosen because he could be the minister if they win). In politics today you do the internships, research positions, a bit of student politics and your political colleagues think you know enough about the world to run the country. Ridiculous. If you are a star at Sandhurst and do a great job of leading your first platoon they dont make you an admiral...



Its the way the civil service works. You move to completely different departments to get promotion.

There is no reward for knowledge or experience in a subject matter.

They work on the basis, its the same skills needed to head the NHS as to head the MoD etc.

No wonder we are in the state we are in. We actively discourage specialisation in civil service
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