Older groupsets still any good?

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Older groupsets still any good?

Postby hardyp » Sun Oct 20, 2013 21:58 pm

Would a dura ace groupset from a brand new 2007 bike still be any good or would the latest lower range groupsets such as ultegra now have superseeded them?

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Re: Older groupsets still any good?

Postby northpole » Sun Oct 20, 2013 22:13 pm

Dura ace from 2007 would be the 7800 range. Yes it has long been superseded by 7900 and the current 11 speed 9000 models however, the 7800 was pretty much bullet proof. I still have original 7800 ergos and front and rear derailleurs on my 2007 Roubaix Pro which I use in central London for my daily commute. I've heard it said that the 7800 was much better put together than the 7900. I can't say for sure however, I've not had a single problem with any of these components and am happy to recommend to others.

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Re: Older groupsets still any good?

Postby Gozzy » Sun Oct 20, 2013 22:36 pm

It'll still be perfectly good, it'll just have visible gear cables which some people see as a hideous problem.

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Postby themekon » Mon Oct 21, 2013 06:06 am

Gozzy wrote:It'll still be perfectly good, it'll just have visible gear cables which some people see as a hideous problem.

I prefere the exposed gear cables,gives a Perfect run for the inner.I've got Dura Ace on my 2006 S Works roubaix,wouldn't swap it for 2013 ultegra.

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Postby Bozman » Mon Oct 21, 2013 06:37 am

7800 are the best shifters I've ever used and they blow the latest generation of Shimano shifters out of the water, they have a light, smooth and precise shift.

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Re: Older groupsets still any good?

Postby smidsy » Mon Oct 21, 2013 06:40 am

I would go further than 'still any good' and will actually pay a premium to ensure I keep with the older stuff.

9 speed is where it is at. Much better product and far less disposable than the latest 11 speed, which is totally overkill.

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Re: Older groupsets still any good?

Postby antfly » Mon Oct 21, 2013 08:21 am

7800 is 10 speed, is it not ?
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Postby Bozman » Mon Oct 21, 2013 08:38 am

antfly wrote:7800 is 10 speed, is it not ?


Yes but with external cabling rather than bar routed.

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Re: Older groupsets still any good?

Postby antfly » Mon Oct 21, 2013 08:55 am

I know, I use ultegra 6600 on two bikes and it's beautifully smooth on one bike but the other has stiffened up so much it wouldn't work and snapped a cable. I am not looking forward to replacing it with 6700.
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Postby Bozman » Mon Oct 21, 2013 09:39 am

antfly wrote:I know, I use ultegra 6600 on two bikes and it's beautifully smooth on one bike but the other has stiffened up so much it wouldn't work and snapped a cable. I am not looking forward to replacing it with 6700.


You get used to it and after a few weeks it feels no different, I found that swapping the Shimano cables for higher quality cable helps with the shifting.

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Postby Gozzy » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:20 pm

antfly wrote:I know, I use ultegra 6600 on two bikes and it's beautifully smooth on one bike but the other has stiffened up so much it wouldn't work and snapped a cable. I am not looking forward to replacing it with 6700.


Flush it through with gt85?

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Postby antfly » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:41 pm

Yeah, done all that and put decent cables on. I got the rear working well again but it goes a bit stiff again if it's not used for a few days and the front has now gone stiffer too. I am a bit fed up with it now, it's just putting off the inevitable.
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Re: Older groupsets still any good?

Postby unixnerd » Mon Oct 21, 2013 14:00 pm

I put DA 7800 on my Cannondale 18 months ago and it's lovely. Shift quality is better than Ultegra 6800, partly due to external cable routing, looks nicer too.
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Postby thecycleclinic » Mon Oct 21, 2013 20:43 pm

I fins Dura Ace 7403/10 works very well, not light but silky smooth and classic looking. Newer 11 speed DA 9000 is just more expensive and it still changes gear so newer is all it is. Nothing wrong with DA7800 if you have it use it or give it to me.
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Postby itboffin » Mon Oct 21, 2013 22:13 pm

i had 7800 and i couldnt tell it any different from 5600 but both of those are way better than 5700 i have now.

same sort of situ with my campag groupsets, my Centaur UT is equal in every way to today's Chorus UT but a million miles better than any of the more modern PT crap, in fact i'd say i prefer my Xenon ergo to my Centaur PT
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Re: Older groupsets still any good?

Postby thecycleclinic » Mon Oct 21, 2013 22:24 pm

I have riden older U-T groups and modern Veloce P-T and Chorus U-T (new) all feel good. P-T groups are not crap they work very well indeed. Was what you tried even set up properly.

If you could not tell 7800 from 5600 then I do not know what to say.
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Re: Older groupsets still any good?

Postby hardyp » Sun Nov 03, 2013 21:17 pm

Thanks for the advice guys, well I ended up buying it, felt f3 2007 model with dura ace shifters and rear derailer and they are silky smooth. Seem to be smoother than my 1 year old sram red groupset and ultegra on my other bikes. That might just be because the guy never used it in 6 years and they are like brand new and my others could probably do with a proper service/setup. Didn't actually need it but at that price thought I might as well have a winter/trainer bike to keep my main bike in top condition for summer. Not looking forward to explaining to the wife why there are now 3 bikes in the garage. Hopefully she wont notice for a while.

Anyway, glad I went with the higher older spec now. Its not like it looks dated either.
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Re: Older groupsets still any good?

Postby dennisn » Mon Nov 04, 2013 17:09 pm

hardyp wrote:Would a dura ace groupset from a brand new 2007 bike still be any good or would the latest lower range groupsets such as ultegra now have superseeded them?


Any good? What would be wrong with a new groupset? Sounds like you're looking for more bling / showoff gear than you are for perfectly usable components. And most likely at at good price to boot.

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Re: Older groupsets still any good?

Postby unixnerd » Mon Nov 04, 2013 17:15 pm

Sounds like you're looking for more bling / showoff gear than you are for perfectly usable components


You almost make it sound like there's something wrong with that. :D
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Re: Older groupsets still any good?

Postby dennisn » Mon Nov 04, 2013 17:35 pm

unixnerd wrote:
Sounds like you're looking for more bling / showoff gear than you are for perfectly usable components


You almost make it sound like there's something wrong with that. :D


Not at all. That's just how it sounds to me. :?


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