Suntour Epicon X2 LO-R Lite fork

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Suntour Epicon X2 LO-R Lite fork

Postby Kowalski675 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 22:01 pm

I'm thinking of upgrading my 2007 Carrera Kraken to use for local rides (towpaths, woodland trails, bridleways etc) and winter trail bike (less cleaning and maintenance than my full suss), since it's been hanging unused since buying my Boardman, but without spending silly money. The weak points are the fork (Suntour XCR) and brakes (Tektro Io mechanical discs). What I'd really fancy would be a set of 120mm Rebas, but if I go down the road of spending that much, plus brakes (and maybe wheels, so I could go to a 15mm Maxle) then I'm thinking it would be maybe more cost effective to sell the Kraken (it's mint condition, hardly been used) and put the money into a new bike.

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So, I've seen these:

http://www.srsuntour-cycling.com/dstore ... denduse=AM

on Ebay (new) in 100mm flavour for £135. Are they any good? I think they're the same fork as on the 26" Boardman Comp hardtail. I've read elsewhere that they're not user serviceable (which seems to be backed up by the user manula PDF, which says service at dealer in the maintenance schedule chart. I can't find anything in a 120mm flavour for a similar price range.

Brake-wise, anyone have opinions of these (and/or how they compare to the Deore M596 / M615?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190851179624? ... 26_rdc%3D1

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Re: Suntour Epicon X2 LO-R Lite fork

Postby supersonic » Mon Oct 21, 2013 23:31 pm

The brakes are a bargain. The fork is good - but UK seller?

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Re: Suntour Epicon X2 LO-R Lite fork

Postby Kowalski675 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 02:37 am

Yeah, same seller as the brakes actually (I'd not noticed that).

How would you say the fork compares to a Reba in performance? Do you know if it's right about them not being home serviceable?

Opinions on how the brakes compare to the Deore M615? Those are £100 from Merlin - worth the extra?

I hate anything gold, so I'd have to take a hair drier to the fork decals, lol. Unless they're lacquered over... :shock:

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Re: Suntour Epicon X2 LO-R Lite fork

Postby 97th choice » Tue Oct 22, 2013 06:40 am

The fork is decent, and quite lightweight. I think it 'might' be user serviceable, I can remember reading that you could travel adjust them.

I have the m395s on the voodoo, decent entry level shimano
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Postby The Rookie » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:49 pm

Instead of the Epicon (about the same as Recon, so below a Reba) I'd consider a decent used pair fo forks.

The Kraken is a nice frame, just wish the paint on mine had been half as good as that (see top link in my sig!)

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Postby tarbot18 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 13:43 pm

Go for the Epicon's they are not the same as recon's, lot more supple and lighter , closer to reba's in performance id say after riding both.
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Re: Suntour Epicon X2 LO-R Lite fork

Postby The Rookie » Tue Oct 22, 2013 13:51 pm

The epicon is about 87g lighter (air, 9mm QR, 100mm), but I would say the suspension quality is much the same.

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Postby Kowalski675 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 18:21 pm

97th choice wrote:The fork is decent, and quite lightweight. I think it 'might' be user serviceable, I can remember reading that you could travel adjust them.

I have the m395s on the voodoo, decent entry level shimano


This is the thread I found via Google that suggests they're not home serviceable (4th post down):

http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspensio ... 57692.html

Travel adjust? Internally, presumably? Could I make them 120mm?

Have you tried the M395 in comparison to the more expensive Deores? If the pricier ones are significantly better I'd thought about maybe buying a pair of those, putting them on my Boardman and swapping the Elixir 3s to the Kraken.

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Postby Kowalski675 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 18:30 pm

The Rookie wrote:Instead of the Epicon (about the same as Recon, so below a Reba) I'd consider a decent used pair fo forks.

The Kraken is a nice frame, just wish the paint on mine had been half as good as that (see top link in my sig!)


Apart from a couple of inevitable small scratches the frame's immaculate, and I've always liked the subtle silver & graphite colourscheme. If I do go ahead with upgrading I'll add some of Paragon Tape's excellent helicopter tape to keep it nice.

I figured the Epicon would be around the level of a Recon Gold TK, at a guess. I'd consider a good set of used forks, but it's a lot easier to just click and buy a pair of these than spend ages hunting for a good used set (and unless you know the person then you don't know if/when they've been serviced). A friend has a pair of 100mm Reba dual airs that he'd be willing to sell, but they're on a very small framed 1998 Klein Pulse Comp, so he thinks the steerer will probably be too short.

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Postby 97th choice » Tue Oct 22, 2013 18:53 pm

Kowalski675 wrote:
This is the thread I found via Google that suggests they're not home serviceable (4th post down):

http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspensio ... 57692.html

Travel adjust? Internally, presumably? Could I make them 120mm?

Have you tried the M395 in comparison to the more expensive Deores? If the pricier ones are significantly better I'd thought about maybe buying a pair of those, putting them on my Boardman and swapping the Elixir 3s to the Kraken.



travel adjust. I've also read about it in an mbr review. Looks straight forward enough.

Only other shimano brakes I've had would be m485, not really much difference, maybe a bit longer lever throw on the 395's before they bite, but a bit of careful brake resetting helps with that.
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Re: Suntour Epicon X2 LO-R Lite fork

Postby Kowalski675 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 19:24 pm

97th choice wrote:
Kowalski675 wrote:
This is the thread I found via Google that suggests they're not home serviceable (4th post down):

http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspensio ... 57692.html

Travel adjust? Internally, presumably? Could I make them 120mm?

Have you tried the M395 in comparison to the more expensive Deores? If the pricier ones are significantly better I'd thought about maybe buying a pair of those, putting them on my Boardman and swapping the Elixir 3s to the Kraken.



travel adjust. I've also read about it in an mbr review. Looks straight forward enough.

Only other shimano brakes I've had would be m485, not really much difference, maybe a bit longer lever throw on the 395's before they bite, but a bit of careful brake resetting helps with that.


Cheers, very useful link. I could change it to the 120mm I want then, goody goody. Question: if you change the travel from 100 to 120, will it increase axle to crown height (i.e. they'll be 20mm more stanchion exposed between seal and crown), or will the length of exposed stanchion remain the same, with the extra travel coming from the stachion being allowed to go 20mm deeper into the lower when compressed?

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Re: Suntour Epicon X2 LO-R Lite fork

Postby Ouija » Tue Oct 22, 2013 23:35 pm

You'll get 20mm of extra exposed stanchion (got two epicons). Good intermediate forks and lightweight. I got mine from fibica for about £130. Down side is that i've never got on with the remote lockout as it tends to click when humping the bike up a hill (i tend to leave it off and spin up hills instead on the two bikes i have with epicons). There are a lot of better forks out there but the Epicons are pretty good for the price range their in.

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Postby Kowalski675 » Wed Oct 23, 2013 00:15 am

Ouija wrote:You'll get 20mm of extra exposed stanchion (got two epicons).


Cheers, I thought that would be the case. That's what i was hoping, as it would Slacken the Kraken (see what I did there, lol) and move the geometry a little from XC toward trail. It's the crown lockout version I'd be going for (I'm not bothered about remote lockout and it's £15 cheaper). I realise there's much better forks out there (you get what you pay for), the question is whether they're good enough to warrant not spending the extra for something like a Reba (which is, after all, over twice as expensive), given what I'd be doing with the bike (mainly local rides, but I might want to take it round Gisburn at some point). Anyone know how they compare to my RS Sektor TK on my Boardman? Those aren't the best forks in the world, but they're good enough for me, for now at least.

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Postby The Rookie » Wed Oct 23, 2013 07:40 am

I've always had good luck with used forks, we have 2 sets Manitous going well, one RS Recon XC (Short travel Revelation chassis) and a Magura Durin, the 2 Manitous cost less than £60, the Recons £72 and the Durins £100, so a big saving for what we got, all bar the Magura's have had more than 2 years use with nothing but DIY servicing. My Skarebs for example (and the Durins) have a pedal platform so no need for complicated lockout.

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Re: Suntour Epicon X2 LO-R Lite fork

Postby Kowalski675 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 03:20 am

Iwouldn't rule out used, but it's the time and hassle of finding something (and the possibility of buying something knackered), versus the convenience of clicking and buying something new... I had a look on Ebay, but there was nothing suitable used on there currently.

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Postby The Rookie » Thu Oct 24, 2013 08:14 am

Kowalski675 wrote: I had a look on Ebay, but there was nothing suitable used on there currently.

Your ebay Fu is weak my friend - there are dozens that suite your overall requirements!

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Postby Kowalski675 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 13:42 pm

Not when I looked, lol. Unless they weren't listed in the right place.


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Re: Suntour Epicon X2 LO-R Lite fork

Postby Prescient » Thu Oct 24, 2013 16:51 pm

Kowalski675 wrote:I'm thinking of upgrading my 2007 Carrera Kraken to use for local rides (towpaths, woodland trails, bridleways etc) and winter trail bike (less cleaning and maintenance than my full suss), since it's been hanging unused since buying my Boardman, but without spending silly money. The weak points are the fork (Suntour XCR) and brakes (Tektro Io mechanical discs). What I'd really fancy would be a set of 120mm Rebas, but if I go down the road of spending that much, plus brakes (and maybe wheels, so I could go to a 15mm Maxle) then I'm thinking it would be maybe more cost effective to sell the Kraken (it's mint condition, hardly been used) and put the money into a new bike.
So, I've seen these:

http://www.srsuntour-cycling.com/dstore ... denduse=AM

on Ebay (new) in 100mm flavour for £135. Are they any good? I think they're the same fork as on the 26" Boardman Comp hardtail. I've read elsewhere that they're not user serviceable (which seems to be backed up by the user manula PDF, which says service at dealer in the maintenance schedule chart. I can't find anything in a 120mm flavour for a similar price range.

Brake-wise, anyone have opinions of these (and/or how they compare to the Deore M596 / M615?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190851179624? ... 26_rdc%3D1

:?


The Epicon X2 are great forks from this seller. They adjust from 100-120-140 mm in about 10 mins if you know how to strip them and there is no oil to mess around, just a spacer to adjust. They are home mechanic serviceable and adjustable. The guide is somewhere on google. They are also very light and come in around the 1600g mark.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2013-SR-SUNTO ... 747496f20d
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Re: Suntour Epicon X2 LO-R Lite fork

Postby Kowalski675 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 18:28 pm

The Rookie wrote:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rock-Shox-Reba-Dual-Air-/231077619812?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item35cd4ca864 , that took 20 seconds.....


I had another quick look earlier today and found a few possibilities, gonna have a trawl through later. I must've set my filters wrong somehow when I looked previously - I was surprised at the time how few forks there were on there (only 2 pages).

The ones in your link are no good though - steerer's way too short. That listing says that they're internally adjustable to 120mm, is that the case with all 100mm Rebas?


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