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winter bike or

Postby Bikeit65 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 09:58 am

Not.
I have been cycling close on twenty years and have ever only had one bike for using all year round, i like to have a decent bike with like wise equipment, so do you have two three or more bikes that you use for different times of the year, i was of the belief that if you look after your bike that it will last for many many years without any problems.
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Re: winter bike or

Postby Slowbike » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:16 am

We had this discussion recently. Mixed results.
If you take good care of your bike in winter then the increased wear will only be slight. If you're out all weathers then a second or even 3rd bike could be handy - especially for commuters who need to have a bike on the road.

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Re: winter bike or

Postby Bikeit65 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:25 am

Increased wear in the winter on what?
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Re: winter bike or

Postby kwi » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:32 am

Bikeit65 wrote:Increased wear in the winter on what?

Drive train and brakes/rims.
There is a train of thought that the wet conditions helps road crud up onto your drive train and brakes creating a highly abrasive paste. That and carbon components dissolve when wet. :|

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Re: winter bike or

Postby Bikeit65 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:37 am

Surely if you do proper maintenance on your bike and parts it will not make any difference whether it is summer or winter, LBS have that idea that carbon dissolve when wet.
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Re: winter bike or

Postby kwi » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:43 am

Who's you LBS? I'm in NI too. Cushendall to be more precise.

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Re: winter bike or

Postby Bikeit65 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:45 am

Greenbikes in Newry
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Re: winter bike or

Postby SloppySchleckonds » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:12 am

Bikeit65 wrote:Surely if you do proper maintenance on your bike and parts it will not make any difference whether it is summer or winter, LBS have that idea that carbon dissolve when wet.


The problem in winter is the lack of daylight hours and the time to clean your bike after every ride if required. If you are only going to ride on a Saturday or Sunday or don't work and have unlimited time, then one bike will be ok.
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Re: winter bike or

Postby rickeverett » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:01 pm

What a load of Bull Shi*. Carbon does not melt when wet. Inflact its less reactive to corrosion compared to aluminium and steel. Its reenforced plastic.

Tape over the brake caliper holes, wipe or spray Alan key holes and other heads with WD or GT and keep the bike clean after each ride. I don't wash a bike with water or soap because that adds to troubles.. Esp cleaners . just wipe down with a wet and dry microfibre. Clean and relube the transmission once a week or so and your sorted.

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Re: winter bike or

Postby MountainMonster » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:02 pm

n+1

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Re: winter bike or

Postby Bozman » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:08 pm

Deja vu .
I used my "winter" bike on Wednesday but without the mudguards, on the ride the only issue was a wet ars* and the grit grinding in to the wheel rims.
I stripped the bike down on Friday, the BB and the seat tube had water inside and the drive chain and mechs were caked in grit. I'm sure that riding with that grit grinding on the drive chain and rims will have an adverse effect on the life expectancy of the components. If you can live with that and you don't mind spending hours cleaning your bike then fair enough.
Most of the issues would be solved with a set of mudguards and some winter wheels, you either put them on the one bike or you have a second bike set up for wet weather and commuting.

The winter bike is an individual choice, but the only issue that I can see is that there are a hell of a lot of bikes out there that don't have the clearance for mudguards, I'd guess that most of those are high end frames, I'll assume that Mr Lucky won't want his EPS equipped Parlee with lightweight wheels taking that abuse through the winter months, he'll buy a piece of crap instead.....probably a nice piece of crap if he owns a bike like that.

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Re: winter bike or

Postby Bikeit65 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:11 pm

I use car wax on the frame, great protection and makes cleaning a breeze, and wash the bike after every ride in the wet, i also use GT and keep the whole drivetrain really clean summer and winter. where are the brake caliper holes?
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Re: winter bike or

Postby MichaelW » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:44 pm

If you check out the other winter bike threads you will see that all-weather roadbikes are different to summer bikes in design. They have more tyre clearance, long drop caliper brakes or discs, threaded eyelets for mudguards and possibly luggage rack. They usually have gearing for non-competative riding rather than racing.
The "winter bike" is a better choice for most riders and for most riding except competition racing.

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Re: winter bike or

Postby LegendLust » Sat Oct 26, 2013 13:48 pm

Bikeit65 wrote:I use car wax on the frame, great protection and makes cleaning a breeze, and wash the bike after every ride in the wet, i also use GT and keep the whole drivetrain really clean summer and winter. where are the brake caliper holes?


All the religious cleaning in the world won't stop grit getting into your brake pads and chain the minute you set off on a ride in the rain or damp conditions. So imagine what that's going to do to your rims and drivetrain on a 3 hour ride?

I wash and keep my winter bike spotless after every ride, but I'm under no illusions that it takes a hammering in the winter, grit, salt, mud etc all take their toll.

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Re: winter bike or

Postby DesWeller » Sat Oct 26, 2013 14:32 pm

All kinds of reasons. You're more likely to have an off in greasy conditions or poor light, less exotic bits usually have more conservative design so are often more robust and less painful to replace if they're damaged in a shunt anyway. Wider, more compliant tyres mean you can handle the deterioration of the road surface that often occurs; likewise stronger rims and 32 spokes can handle a bump better. Fast race frames don't have provision for full mudguards, which are not just for comfort; full guards keep the spray off the chain and BB shell, so they stay oiled for longer.

Drivetrain parts do take a pounding from the more grotty conditions; if you don't commute it's less of a problem, you get more time between rides to carry out basic servicing. I commute on mine so it gets 10 outings minimum between visits from the oil can.

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Re: winter bike or

Postby rickeverett » Sat Oct 26, 2013 16:43 pm

Bikeit65 wrote:I use car wax on the frame, great protection and makes cleaning a breeze, and wash the bike after every ride in the wet, i also use GT and keep the whole drivetrain really clean summer and winter. where are the brake caliper holes?



Behind the Front fork on the opposite side of the brake - on the rear its on the intersection of the seat stays.

I tape them over because spray (at any time of the year) blasts right up those holes. It gets full of dirt and salt. Hidden rust spot too.

Best thing to do before tapeing over is to take the callipers off - clean them and the holes in the frame - protect against water with a re-lube on the threads and a quick spray. Then tape over. Lasts for years then.
Another spot that gets blasted is the gap between the fork and frame as its in the same area.


unless you commute - i dont think you need a winter bike !

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Re: winter bike or

Postby Bikeit65 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 18:27 pm

Don't commute, go out on a Tuesday & Thursday do about thirty miles each day then out again on a Sunday and do about sixty miles, i really like to keep my bike and car's looking well so i like to spend time cleaning them.
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Re: winter bike or

Postby kwi » Sat Oct 26, 2013 18:44 pm

rickeverett wrote:What a load of Bull Shi*. Carbon does not melt when wet. Inflact its less reactive to corrosion compared to aluminium and steel. Its reenforced plastic.

Sense of humourectomy performed lately?

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Re: winter bike or

Postby Mikey23 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 19:52 pm

Apparently!

The prob with having two is that I only want to ride the best one. I managed to get pretty much all the way through last winter because the weather wasn't too bad down here in cornwall. Lots of dry, cold and windy but doable. What I really can't stand is this spell of wet and windy like we've been having. Even with all the gear I just can't get any pleasure from it so I ain't going to do it. As well as the obvious mechanical issues, my big fear is coming off and wet greasy leaf and crap strewn roads do nothing to dispel this. My last off cost three months of my life and I have no desire to go through that again. So through the worst of the weather, I'm bolted to the turbo. Boring, repetitive and very sweaty... But safe and the only mechanical issue will be a new rear tyre at some point. And if I was a commuter I wouldn't either

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Re: winter bike or

Postby DesWeller » Sat Oct 26, 2013 20:45 pm

Bikeit65 wrote:Don't commute, go out on a Tuesday & Thursday do about thirty miles each day then out again on a Sunday and do about sixty miles, i really like to keep my bike and car's looking well so i like to spend time cleaning them.


If I didn't commute or tour I would probably not have an extra bike just for crappy winter weather; as you suggest I'd just keep on top of the maintenance regime.


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