Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

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Ricey83
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Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby Ricey83 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:57 am

I have a Giant Defy 4 with 2300's and I'm considering upgrading to either a 105 or Sram Apex full group.

Does anybody have experience with both and can recommend either?

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby Ricey83 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:31 pm

throw Campag Veloce in to the mix as well...

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby MajorMantra » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:53 pm

105 is more resilient, and IMO also shifts better.

(Source: am a mechanic.)

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby pitchshifter » Thu Jan 09, 2014 14:18 pm

105 is brilliant.

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby banditvic » Thu Jan 09, 2014 14:42 pm

Apex much lighter than 105, don't go on about shifting issues with either, mainly down to who fit's the cables. :roll:

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby Ricey83 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 14:59 pm

How does Veloce stand up to 105?

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby Puk2930 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 16:25 pm

Avoid the Apex.
In recent years I've run both 105, Apex and Veloce. The only one I wouldn't go for again is the SRAM.
This is because I think there is an inherent weakness in the double tap shifter, as I discovered the shifter paddle can snap. Also once I replaced the shifter the next one's shifting mechanism completely went as one of the internal springs also went.

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby keef66 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 16:35 pm

only ever had 105. 6 years on and it's still functioning faultlessly. My only gripe has been that the RH shifter cable has twice frayed inside the shifter; easy enough to replace though.

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby diamonddog » Thu Jan 09, 2014 16:55 pm

Never had a problem with my SRAM or Shimano shifters but I prefer the SRAM set up and shifting.

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby Arthur Scrimshaw » Thu Jan 09, 2014 16:57 pm

105, I've got both and much prefer the operation and quality of 105. Apex is agricultural but not in a good way.

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby mroli » Thu Jan 09, 2014 17:34 pm

I think SRAM addressed the flaw in their shifters?

Apex is a little cheaper than 105 and a fair bit lighter? TBH - I'd go for Tiagra as a value 10 speed groupset, or spend the extra and go to Ultegra/Rival (or Force). Tiagra is around £280 at merlin and Apex £300 with 10% additional off and 105 for £340ish mark.

I ride Apex/Rival/Force on my bikes, my missus rides old 105, I've installed "new" 105 and "new" tiagra. I just prefer the double tape shifting and have not had a problem (other than the old snapping lever problem once with a Rival shifter) with any of them. My personal preference is Sram - but if I were you, I'd try the hoods and the shifting and see what suits you.

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby borisface » Thu Jan 09, 2014 17:48 pm

Of course with Apex you get the opportunity to run a 32 sprocket on the back. Have used both 105 and Apex and its a question of what you get used too. Haven't had problems with either. I prefer the shape of the SRAM hoods and levers. But honestly either will be fine.

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby nicknick » Thu Jan 09, 2014 18:11 pm

I went to SRAM just before the internal cabled shimano came out because I wanted the cleaner look. I had apex and force and found the rear mechs wore very quickly on the main cage pivot/spring, and bottom brackets develop play pretty quickly. And the shifters started rattling (but never failed)

I recently tried 5700 and was converted, not only with the shifting but the ergonomics. I even have small hands but the SRAM hoods never felt right. And the lever is pretty short so can be a strain to reach from the drops.

105 is rather painfully heavy compared to SRAM but it is so much more durable. I have just fitted 6800 to my summer bike so I won't be going back to SRAM.

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby Luv2ride » Thu Jan 09, 2014 18:21 pm

+1 for Apex. Have this on my winter trainer, after having Rival on my first bike (groupset also moved across onto a new frame, now sold). Now also have Force on my CR1. Have had 105 5600 and, whilst that was good, prefer the ergonomics and shifting of the SRAM groupsets. Oddly enough my Force set up seems to be the noisiest of the lot :shock: , current Apex runs silent and requires little or no adjustment.
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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby DiscoBoy » Thu Jan 09, 2014 19:01 pm

borisface wrote:Of course with Apex you get the opportunity to run a 32 sprocket on the back. Have used both 105 and Apex and its a question of what you get used too. Haven't had problems with either. I prefer the shape of the SRAM hoods and levers. But honestly either will be fine.


You can run a 32T with 105, too.
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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby bendertherobot » Thu Jan 09, 2014 19:15 pm

Tricky. New 105 has a plushness, in the shifters, that Apex can't quite match. But the rest of it is anyone's game. I prefer the look of the Apex chain set. Shifting wise Apex just works. If it isn't working you haven't had it set up right. I installed mine on my commuter last March. It's easily done 5000 miles or more. Perhaps much more. I clean it now and again. It works perfectly. It's been out in every weather imaginable.
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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby SloppySchleckonds » Thu Jan 09, 2014 20:02 pm

Does 105 still have that faulty left shifter thingy or have they fixed it?
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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby styxd » Thu Jan 09, 2014 21:46 pm

the problem with shimano is you can't brake and change gear at the same time

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby keef66 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 08:29 am

SloppySchleckonds wrote:Does 105 still have that faulty left shifter thingy or have they fixed it?


They fixed it. The problem was with levers that could be used with double and triple chainsets. Now they do a choice of double or triple shifter.

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Re: Shimano 105 or SRAM Apex

Postby keef66 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 08:31 am

styxd wrote:the problem with shimano is you can't brake and change gear at the same time


Not deliberately anyway. I've occasionally found myself braking by accident when fluffing a last minute gear change.


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