Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

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scottc1978
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Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby scottc1978 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 09:17 am

Just had a new chain and cassette (Tiagra 12-28) fitted by a local repairer.

I've noticed now that when I'm running on the smallest 5 cogs at the back and the smallest ring on the front the chain is rubbing on the cage of the jockey wheel. Is this something to do with the tension on the rear cage? Perhaps the chain is too long?

Took it back to the repairer, he adjusted the B-screw, said that the chain is the correct length and it's just one of those things that you have to live with.

Have attached a photograph.

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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby Slowbike » Fri Apr 04, 2014 09:28 am

Find a different local repairer ...

Things that cause chainrub

B Screw not in far enough
Chain too long
mech too short for the range of gears on the bike

28-12 is within the abilities of a short cage shimano mech.

Look up how to size chain ... then just for us here - put the chain in the big ring at the front and the big cog at the back and then take another pic of the mech as you've done above... :)

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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby peteone » Fri Apr 04, 2014 09:29 am

Can you show us a zoomed out pic so you can see the chainline between the chainset and cassette. From the pic above it looks like the chain is too long.
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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby keef66 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 09:33 am

+1 Try a better bike shop. That chain looks far too long to me.

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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby darkhairedlord » Fri Apr 04, 2014 09:56 am

Even if the RD is short it appears to be on the 15 in the photo so shouldn't be a problem.
As above, photograph with it on Big-Big and post it up.
No amount of twiddling the B tension screw is going to dial that out.
Chain looks waaaay too long. Although a sticky pivot post can lead to similar problems (I don't think this is the case). Buy a chain splitter and sort it yourself, it's really not that hard and plenty of tutorials about.
Then take the removed links an put them in the "repairers" sandwiches.

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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby drlodge » Fri Apr 04, 2014 09:59 am

+1 on the chain looks too long.
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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby scottc1978 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:14 pm

Thanks guys.

I'll post a few pics when i get home.

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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby JayKosta » Fri Apr 04, 2014 15:07 pm

When using the Big / Big gear combination, having the rear deraileur doing only a minimum amount of chain 'take-up' should resolve the problem. Shorten the chain as needed.

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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby kwozzymodo » Fri Apr 04, 2014 17:30 pm

Looks like your chain is too long, by at least 8 links. My chain has 106 links and I run a 50 front chainring and a 12 smallest rear cog. The derailleur cage should be near enough vertical when in 50/12.

My guess is someone has just taken a new chain out of the box and installed it without measuring the required length, which varies according to a bike's gearing.

No sweat though - just remove the excess links and refit. At least it's not too short!

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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby scottc1978 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 18:42 pm

Photo in big ring, big cog.

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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby kwozzymodo » Fri Apr 04, 2014 18:55 pm

Big ring/biggest rear cog should leave the jockey cage pointing forwards at about 45 degrees. Looks like the answer is to remove those links.....

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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby darkhairedlord » Fri Apr 04, 2014 20:02 pm

Yep, chain way too long. your "repair" man was too incompetent to do it correctly the first time and too lazy to put it right the second time. Take it back and tell him to sort it out. If he still won't put it right, Name and shame.

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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby Slowbike » Fri Apr 04, 2014 20:37 pm

darkhairedlord wrote:Yep, chain way too long. your "repair" man was too incompetent to do it correctly the first time and too lazy to put it right the second time. Take it back and tell him to sort it out. If he still won't put it right, Name and shame.


Nah - just get a chain tool and fix it yourself and find a new repair man - he's had 2 chances - don't give him the chance to balls it up again - it's not worth it.

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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby scottc1978 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 21:01 pm

Fixed now thanks to my neighbour. Watching over him as he done it so might get one of those tools and tackle it myself in the future.

Diagnosis: Sunrace chain with a KMC missing link. Had to remove around 8 links.

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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby spanner239 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 07:54 am

scottc1978 wrote:Fixed now thanks to my neighbour. Watching over him as he done it so might get one of those tools and tackle it myself in the future.

Diagnosis: Sunrace chain with a KMC missing link. Had to remove around 8 links.


8 links! Looks like the person who installed it in the shop just put the brand new chain on without checking the appropriate length. Never, ever go there again, who knows what other shortcuts they will take with your bike!

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Re: Chain rubbing @ jockey wheels

Postby crankycrank » Sat Apr 05, 2014 16:29 pm

+1^^^. That is what I would rank as inexcusable for a pro mechanic. The OP would be justified in asking for a partial refund of labour costs seeing not only did the mechanic do it wrong but he then claimed it was done properly requiring scottc1978 to take care of it himself. :evil: This place would be worthy of a name and shame if you don't get a refund IMO.


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