The Avid Elixir is no more!

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The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby oxocube1 » Mon May 05, 2014 22:07 pm

It has probably been like it for a while but I only just noticed that they have removed the Avid Elixir brakes as a product from the SRAM website all together.

I didn't realise the Guide brake was replacing the Elixir series, I thought they were just adding them. Even the newish Trail X7 and X9 have gone.

I guess they thought they are falling behind on the Disc Brake Market?

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby supersonic » Mon May 05, 2014 22:31 pm

Just a rename. Like Deore m525, 575, 590, 591, 595, 615!

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby Kowalski675 » Mon May 05, 2014 23:20 pm

supersonic wrote:Just a rename. Like Deore m525, 575, 590, 591, 595, 615!


Not according to the info from Avid.

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby mattv » Tue May 06, 2014 05:34 am

Let's hope quality control has improved at the same time as the name change. Elixirs are better than juicys, but still leave alot of room for improvement.

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby Briggo » Tue May 06, 2014 06:04 am

mattv wrote:Let's hope quality control has improved at the same time as the name change. Elixirs are better than juicys, but still leave alot of room for improvement.


What quality issues, I've had my Elixir R SL's for 3 years from new on my bike, had to bleed them twice and that's it.

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby POAH » Tue May 06, 2014 07:18 am

Briggo wrote:
What quality issues, I've had my Elixir R SL's for 3 years from new on my bike, had to bleed them twice and that's it.


based on people reading the internet and not actually owning them :lol:

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby Cqc » Tue May 06, 2014 07:34 am

What's wrong with juicys?

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby mattv » Tue May 06, 2014 07:48 am

Avid brakes are very light and very powerful. When they work. The problem is, they are almost never bled correctly from the factory, either OEM or after market. I have drawn entire syringes of air out of new elixirs. The design of the master cylinder is very clever with its circular reservoir, but seems weak. Seals are often faulty from the factory or fail and stop the pistons retracting correctly. Juicys are prone to leaking from the reservoir cap, and the calipers seize very regularly. This is only from around 10 years experience working in the trade, so think what you want.

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby RockmonkeySC » Tue May 06, 2014 09:00 am

Cqc wrote:What's wrong with juicys?


Terrible brakes, but I think Elixirs are worse. Even the X0's I had aren't as good as the Deores I replaced them with even though they are three times the price of the Shimanos.

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby JBA » Tue May 06, 2014 10:11 am

Over the last 5 years I have had various bikes in the family using Avid brakes - Juicy 3, Juicy 3.5, Elixir R (on 2 bikes) and Elixir 1 and have not experienced any trouble at all. They all work well and none of them has suffered from trapped air or seized pistons. Apart from routine cleaning and pad replacements the only thing I have ever done is bleed the Juicy 3's once.
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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby Kowalski675 » Tue May 06, 2014 15:26 pm

No problems so far with the OE Elixir 3s on my Boardman. Powerful enough for me, plenty of feel and no reliabilty issues so far (and the lever shape is much nicer than some). Certainly no bleed problems from new - nice firm lever with short travel, definitely no air in mine.

I'm replacing them with XTs, but only 'cos I wanted some hydraulics for my Kraken, and CRC were doing the XTs so cheap that it made more sense to buy those and swap my Avids over onto the Kraken than to buy a set of Deores for the Kraken.

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby RockmonkeySC » Tue May 06, 2014 16:27 pm

I have had good Elixirs and bad ones. The elixir 1s on the wifes bike are fine but my old elixir 7s and X0s were terrible. They needed regular bleeds and I had various leaks and power was poor.
Considering the X0's were nearly £400 for the pair they were sh1t. I replaced them with Deores for £65 for the pair and they are more powerful, have a better feel, are more consistent, easier to bleed and more reliable

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby WindyG » Tue May 06, 2014 16:42 pm

I have 3 sets of Elixir's the OEM 5's on the Anthem have been perfect from day one and I've not had to do anything to them, 2nd hand set of 3R one caliper needed the piston to be freed up and bleed and now is perfect, a brand new set of 3's have been total crap and feel horrible these will end up on the commuter.

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby Kajjal » Tue May 06, 2014 18:42 pm

My Elixir 1's were fine with no real problems but swapped them for XT's which have more power and better feel with the matching rotors,

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby Russyh » Tue May 06, 2014 19:13 pm

Kowalski675 wrote:No problems so far with the OE Elixir 3s on my Boardman. Powerful enough for me, plenty of feel and no reliabilty issues so far (and the lever shape is much nicer than some). Certainly no bleed problems from new - nice firm lever with short travel, definitely no air in mine.

I'm replacing them with XTs, but only 'cos I wanted some hydraulics for my Kraken, and CRC were doing the XTs so cheap that it made more sense to buy those and swap my Avids over onto the Kraken than to buy a set of Deores for the Kraken.

You actually ridden it with the new frame yet then kowalski?

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby felix.london » Tue May 06, 2014 20:32 pm

Briggo wrote:What quality issues, I've had my Elixir R SL's for 3 years from new on my bike, had to bleed them twice and that's it.


Those quality issues! ^^

I have to bleed mine every year and they still never feel 'right'. I have a set of 8 year old Deores, they've been bled once and a set of 2yr old SLX which haven't needed to be bled yet.

Can't wait to get shot of the Elixir R's on the Session....Zee's'll soon come to my rescue!
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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby Thewaylander » Tue May 06, 2014 21:15 pm

I have to admit rode a set of the trail 9 i believe and they were great lovely level feel.

Shimano are great but i find them far to grabby and cant modulate the power well. love my formula the one.

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby felix.london » Tue May 06, 2014 21:23 pm

supersonic wrote:Just a rename. Like Deore m525, 575, 590, 591, 595, 615!


I think it's a bit more than that...they are ditching the Avid branding altogether and putting SRAM up front and centre. Their marketing bods obviously think this'll sell more brakes which says to me the Avid brand is soiled.
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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby oxocube1 » Tue May 06, 2014 21:40 pm

I certainly agree with what has been said about the Elixirs being shoddy as OEM parts. From all the Boardman bikes i've sent out over the last few years, only a handful of them came in with both brakes feeling the same/not spongy. I imagine they will still be seen as stock on many bikes to come though as there is probably a lot of them still around.
The Juicy 7s I used to have were very good imo but the pads were a pain in the a*se to change. I preferred them to the Elixir 5s i used to have on the HT.

Now though I'm too used to the short lever of Shimano brakes and can't ride with longer levers like on Avid brakes.

felix.london wrote: Their marketing bods obviously think this'll sell more brakes which says to me the Avid brand is soiled.


I think you're right. Looks like they are trying to 'start fresh' by branding them with SRAM.

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Re: The Avid Elixir is no more!

Postby lawman » Wed May 07, 2014 06:59 am

Funny if they are rebranding considering the rep "SRAM" road hydraulic brakes have ATM. Like all sram stuff avid brakes are just under engineered


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