Hope reveal plans for 1x10 drivetrain

By Matt Skinner, editor of What Mountain Bike | Saturday, Feb 19, 2011 8.00am

When Hope Technology unveiled their integrated cassette and freehub late last year they set tongues a-wagging – ours included – about the next logical step. They already sold external bearing bottom brackets, hubs and headsets, so where else was there to go? Well, drivetrains.

Now, the British component makers have signalled that intent by showing their own concept crank. And chainrings. And a chainguide. And bashrings. Not to mention alluding to bigger things down the line.

“The crank’s a concept product that’s been on the drawing board for years and we literally made it as just that – a concept,” Hope’s Neil Arnold told us. In fact, the company are “already looking at completely overhauling it and redoing it”. The prototype seen at the UK's Core Bike show was fresh from the CNC machine shop and is a two-piece design with the splined-axle as part of the driveside crank.

The non-driveside crank slides on and is cinched up using a pinch bolt, with the bearing preloaded by using a threaded preload cap. But why show this now? “It’s part of the 1x10 or 1x9 way we’re looking at,” said Arnold. “So it’s a natural next step on from the cassette and bottom bracket – and the chain guide – and helps tie it all together.

Hope cranks (prototype): hope cranks (prototype)

"The chain device is still a concept too but is further down the line. We’re not looking at making it a downhill device but rather it’s part of the 1x10/1x9 concept. It’ll probably be released around the time the crank is ready, although there’s no timeline yet.” As you’d expect from Hope, the chainguide is CNC-machined.

It uses an E-type bracket that mounts between the bearing cup of an external bottom bracket system, like Hope’s own, and the frame. This isn't a new idea – MRP’s 1.X popularised the concept and other brands, including the more affordable likes of Superstar Components, are out there. However, Hope’s is the only all-metal option and although it’s only a prototype it wins-out for sheer bling and beauty.

Our experience with cross-country chainguides suggests they work fine as long as you don’t back-pedal over bumpy terrain; this can sometimes make the chain derail and jam. Hope aren't discounting a lower pulley to counter this, although we wouldn’t be surprised to see both a pulley and pulley-free option.

Hope chain device (prototype): hope chain device (prototype)

Why develop a drivetrain?

Looking back at Hope’s history it’s clear that they don’t just produce parts for the sake of it. There has to be something that they feel they can bring to the area in question in order to improve on things – whether that’s weight, practicality or simple pound-for-pound performance. So, it’s interesting that neither the crank nor the chainguide – for all its aesthetic attractions – is bringing anything new to the table, unlike the cassette.

CNC machined cranks? We’ve been there before in mountain biking's late ’80s/early ’90s heyday with the likes of Bullseye, Syncros and Cook Bros Racing (a company who've just returned to making cranks – see www.cookbros.com), among many others. So what are Hope doing? And more to the point, why? The reasoning behind the new parts stems from Hope’s interest in the 1x10 or 1x9 “way”.

Running a single chainring up front together with gears at the back requires a solution to prevent the chain derailing off the chainring – which explains the chainguide as a necessity. But the cranks? “We can make what we want as opposed to trying to improve on what’s already out there,” said Arnold.

Hope chain device (prototype): hope chain device (prototype)

“That’s not to say that SRAM and Shimano’s cranks aren’t good – far from it – but the cranks may not do what we want them to do so we'd have to adapt them. By making them ourselves we can have what we want from the off.” Given that Hope are going back to the drawing board on the cranks, it’s difficult not to see the chainguide becoming more integrated with the crankset and chainring. Of course, this is merely conjecture.

The rear cassette combined with an integrated freehub mechanism opened up Hope’s eyes to the wider drivetrain and, in particular, the benefits of a super-wide ratio cluster (9-36t compared to a standard 11-32t range) for 1x9/10 setups. This would give a greater range of available gears at the extremes of the cassette for climbing and descending, making the 1x10/9 transmission more usable in more situations by more riders.

“That’s ultimately where we want to get to,” said Arnold, “but mechs don’t currently exist that’ll [handle the gear range] perfectly. So, if we want to get there we’d have to look at [making our own mechs].” He was quick to add that there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with existing derailleurs – be they SRAM or Shimano – they simply don’t cater for this niche drivetrain range.

Hope chainring: hope chainring

Just as the 2x10 setups now en vogue with SRAM, Shimano and FSA aren't perfect for all riders – a triple is still the better option for hilly/mountainous terrain – a 1x10/9 setup with such a wide ratio cassette won’t be for everyone. “It would be for performance-orientated riders," said Arnold. "Or for riders with a specific reason for the setup. It won’t be for riders down the woods of a weekend.”

So, will we see Hope mechs or a complete 1x10 ‘group’ any time soon? Given that it took years for Hope’s sardonically named Eternity seatpost to make production even after being unveiled to the world’s media, the smart money says don’t hold your breath. But we like the concept they're working on and, as is Hope’s way, you never know what surprises they'll spring on you in the weeks and months ahead. Hydraulic disc brakes for cyclo-cross/road bikes anyone?

The chainrings and bashrings are ready now. All are four-bolt 104BCDs (Bolt Circle Diameter); the chainrings are all hard anodised and available in 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, and 40 tooth sizes, with the bashes coming in three sizes – 32, 34-36, and 38-40t. Both chainrings and bashrings cost £35. For more information, visit www.hopetech.com.

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  • Great, just what I have been dreaming for. A 9 -36 and a 30 up front will do me just fine.

  • @wobbem: Not what you've been dreaming for.... What you've been HOPEing for.

    :D

    Right. I'll get my coat. Mine's the Gore-tex pac-lite.

  • Surely the way to go with cranks is to get them "near net" forged, even if the finishing is done by CNC? Saves money, energy and material but would obviously require working with a foundry.

    For those who don't remember when people like Paul's Components tried making CNC mechs in the early 90's they cost horrendous money and didn't compare performance wise to Shimano/Suntour of the time. A rear mech is quite a complex item (in this I mean it features a lot of components all fixed together to make the mech).

    Still it would be brilliant if they could eventually realise this concept. There is nothing I would love more than a bike with a high number of UK manufactured parts on it.

    Good luck fellas.

  • Net forging is great, but requires a pretty large volume to make sense. Hope may not be large enough for that (yet). In any case you can't net forge prototypes, you'd always cnc those.

    No mention of sizes, let's see if they bring out a full range (165 to 180 in 2.5 steps would be nice).

  • Hope's hubs are already machined from forged blanks. I'd imagine they'd do something similar with a production crank.

    Not sure about an all-alloy chainguide - the others on the market don't use nylon guides for no reason. It's quieter for a start...

  • I am sorry to say but first a 8 speed setup then a 9 speed setup then a 10 speed setup for 2011 oh wait a minute 2015 a 15 speed setup 2020 a 20 speed setup and goes on and on can keep this bike business satisfied they just want more money from people like us that love bike riding. they will just say one day why pedal lets due away with it and put a electric engine forget $4,000 or 8,000 bikes lets charge 25,000 dollars bikes people will buy remember!keep up with the jones!!

  • Lets "Hope" that they are better than the seat clamps and BB's that Hope manufacture...

    I do like Hope products I run the hubs, headset and the brakes on both my moutain bikes but the BB lasted less than 5 months and the seat clamp was too soft to get a decent bite on the seat post.

    I'd like to think they have this one right and while their at it can we have a dropper seat post?

  • The chainguide may/may not have Nylon inserts in there somewhere - when speaking with Neil he emphasized that they would be experimenting to see what works best. But only time will tell how they finally turn out of course.

  • i would like to see hope have a stab at hydraulic shifting. i know its been tried before but if anyone could make it work i reckon they might have a chance. they already have expertise in hydraulics and machining. imagine a fully sealed system which is not at the mercy of frame designs and no cables to contaminate. hope could gives us a whole new way of shifting instead of trying to improve an existing system. to supplement the cassette at the back they could have a sturmey archer style bb with 2 speeds built in like a hammerschmidt but more compact and enclosed and a lot lighter. instead of trying to take on shimano and sram they should move the goalpost completely.

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