BH Bikes Global Concept G-3 L83 (08)
BikeRadar verdict
"Well built, nicely finished, good components. Should be a winner, but the mix and geometry combine to make a bike that’s less than the sum of its parts"
Spanish outfit BH’s full-carbon rakish G-3 frame is an eye-catching piece of work with a pro race pedigree. It should be a winner, and yet…
The Global Concept G-3 frame design made its first appearance during BH’s sponsorship of the Liberty Seguros Team. BH now supply AG2R and while the machines ridden by the pros have moved on, BH continues to offer the original G-3. It's available in different incarnations featuring SRAM Force (L85D), Shiamno Dura-Ace (L83), or Campagnolo Chorus (L87D) at £2,899, or Shimano Ultegra (L81C) at £2,699.
Ride & handling: back to school
It only took a few brisk pedal strokes and a few attempts at changes of direction to bring out a serious lack of lateral rigidity in the front end of the bike. This had the unnerving effect of making the bike feel as if your wheels had slipped into a groove. Any attempt at changes of direction using the handlebars in a conventional way would just make the whole bike flap about, both at low and high speed.
First impressions aren’t always lasting impressions; sometimes you really need to live with a bike for a while to its true qualities to appear. That’s what I hoped with the BH Global Concept, so to give the bike a chance I swapped the aero bladed, all carbon fork (480g) with a stiffer Time fork.
There was an immediate and substantial improvement in handling, but it didn’t completely eradicate a bad case of “the flap”. The fork change eliminates the twisting motion of the original fork but the rear end of the bike still shimmies.
Further inspection and testing, piling on the miles over numerous rides, revealed the other factor contributing to the frame’s excessive lateral movement. The chain stays flex as they transition away from the bottom bracket area.
The result is a delayed response between the front and the back of the bike. To partially counteract this disconcerting trait I found I had to shift my weight further back over the rear wheel than normal, and steer almost entirely with my hips.
Not ideal when attacking downhills, wet off-camber turns, or tight and quick changes of direction.
The lack of lateral stiffness isn’t the BH’s only handling flaw. Braking can throw up some unpleasant surprises too.
The FSA Energy dual pivot brakes offer plenty of power, but the twin compound pads proved grabby near the end of the stroke. The sudden onslaught of stopping power, combined with the lower grip of the Michelin Lithion tyres, saw the back of the bike was trying to catch up with the front. Again not ideal, as another re-learning period was required to adjust to these characteristics.
The featherweight carbon Titan bar and bonded carbon stem also compromised the handling, especially when you put the power down or hit rough surfaces. I can see how they might work well on a stiff bike, but not here, where they just make things worse.
Although the inch or more of movement at the bar ends took the sting out of cobbles and potholes, it was very alarming during sprints and out of saddle efforts. This might be a step too far for burlier riders looking to throw their weight around in a sprint finish for the café stop.
The BH is at its most well-mannered when riding at measured, unhurried tempo, or longer climbing in the saddle at a high steady pace. It does what you would expect, no better, but then again no worse, than comparable machines.
Frame: “remember when…”
The Global Concept design is a high modulus carbon construction incorporating carbon nanotubes in a low slung monocoque frame.
While the nanotube technology is of the moment, as is the integrated seatpost, the frame layout harks back to a time when seat tubes were getting longer, and head tubes were getting shorter; when top tubes were sloping from back to front with increasing steepness, and handlebars were being mounted below head tubes rather than above them. A time when people were still nailing their T.A. Criterium cleats to the soles of their shoes: the Eighties.
Advances in wind tunnel testing and UCI regulations on frames and wheel size have been flattening out rider position for the better part of a decade now. This is reflected in the majority of contemporary designs. With the BH, (despite the semi-sloping top tube), the short, low head tube, longer than normal seat tube and shallow seat post extension are a throwback to the Eighties. Steeply pitched rider positions were all the rage, then, in particular with time trial bikes.
As it was laid out for us, the plunging position seemed more suitable to riders with a longer reach and flexible upper body. If you have a proportionately longer upper body it might work well for you. The position might also be popular with some old school time triallists.
Even so, it’s a good looking and well made frame, with eye-catching paint and graphics, and light at just a touch over 1,000g. A longer steerer tube for the fork would have made it easier to get a more comfortable position in the drops, given the quite short and low head tube. Make sure to allow for a generous amount of spacers when getting your bike fitted. Finally, a bespoke plug-in style short aero carbon seat post allows about 7 cm of height adjustment above the medium 65 cm full length aero seat tube.
Equipment: a buffet for all tastes
For the L83, BH calls on the expertise of several established and popular component brands, creating an interesting mix that’s in keeping with the stand-apart look of the bike. Amongst them is an FSA Team Issue crank, beautifully made out of carbon, with a separate forged and machined spider, and featuring compact 50/35 alloy rings.
Although the rigidity and shifting qualities were more than adequate, the 149mm Q-factor (the crank width across the pedal faces) proved problematic. Campagnolo and Shimano cranks measure about 144-5mm. Q-factor's not an issue for many riders, but for roadies, “more narrow is more better”. In my case the wider stance produced faint knee pain after about the half-hour point on every sortie. I was pedalling squares instead of circles, and a nice spin became a chore.
Left or right adjustments would require some lateral thinking on the part of a good mechanic, given the limitations on fine tuning of the two piece crank design. A swap for either Campagnolo or Shimano cranks might prove the better solution.
The FSA theme continues with the Energy dual pivot brakes.
An FSA front derailleur coupled with a Shimano Dura-Ace rear derailleur didn’t quite meet expected standards in their collaboration with the tried and true Dura-Ace STI brake/shift levers. Occasional vagueness and missed shifts were consequences of the rear derailleur cable routing being run inside the right chain stay. A lack of barrel adjusters at the front end made it impossible to perform critical on-the-fly adjustments.
A more decorative than comfortable San Marco SPide steel rail saddle with the right shape but the wrong padding made sure I didn’t fall asleep at the wheel.
Wheel package: tough and slick
Mavic is always a reliable and sure bet when it comes to wheels, and the tried and true Ksyrium Equipes don’t disappoint. They're robust and reliable due to their bladed spokes, sealed cartridge bearings and welded and machined rims. Because they're cheaper than Ksyrium Sls, BH is able to throw the Dura Ace levers and rear derailleur into the mix.
The BH L85D model with SRAM Force, or the L81C for £200 less, substitutes still very effective Ultegra STI levers and rear mech. Those bikes therefore get a wheel upgrade to the more advanced and lighter Ksyrium SL’s. Choices, choices…
Shod with Michelin Lithion tyres, the wheels proved to be durable and reassuring rather than svelte and enlightening. The tyres' rigid casing produced a firm feel to the ride, and the hard wearing compound, although good for low rolling resistance and very tough, was slippery when wet. This did not inspire confidence on the perpetually damp and greasy west-country roads, but I didn’t puncture, despite the mutilated hedges and sharp grit.
Verdict: an acquired taste
The BH L83 G3 is a bike that’s in search of an identity and a demographic, a show looking for an audience. Its handling quirks make it an acquired taste, and were downright scary initially. With size and power on the increase in every successive generation, I couldn’t recommend it if you were for example a typically big young Flemish amateur. Nor would I make it the workhorse in my racing stable. However, it's become a minor hit among time-trial riders, which is an endorsement of its low profile appearance and stance.
Its light weight and racy good looks means it's also suited to the lighter and gentler sportive rider who wants to dance over hills and mountains on an attractive and distinctive machine. But if you are accustomed to a sharper and more surefooted ride with sufficient levels of lateral rigidity, and if you want total obedience under a robust regime of high demands in handling and changes of pace, you will need to look elsewhere.
User Reviews
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User review of BH Bikes Global Concept G-3 L83 (08)
I have never read so much Tosh, written by an apparent Ex-proffessional. I have been riding my L83(08) for about 5 months and have not found any of the negatives that George Ramelkamp has found. Of course you need some flex in the frame otherwise it would be unbearable to ride for more than 10miles. For goodness sake the whole of Liberty Seguros and even Astana had no complaints about this frame during their 100+miles per day stints on their many tours around the world. As for the components there is an element of each to their own, but I still ride mine as it came and love it.
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User review of BH Bikes Global Concept G-3 L83 (08)
Hiya all
Just thought i would say BH has sold over 100 of these models so far this year many to expert riders .As part of a very close team BH loves hearing feedback about their bikes.I/we have never had so many negative points about this bike .Since this review i have spoken to many BH customers and not one of them can agree with this review .Please please can anyone who owns a globel concept leave there own review here on this page
Thank you very much
Toby Taylor BH BIKES
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User review of BH Bikes Global Concept G-3 L83 (08)
Totally agree with "Nice Bloke" Ive had mine for 2 months now.. Using it day in day out at pre season training camp descending 50mph+ into hairpins, S-bends and i found the bike to handle awesome!!! I have told everyone who's asked me this is the best bike ive ridden... (From Specialised to Cervelo) This is the machine of choice!
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User review of BH Bikes Global Concept G-3 L83 (08)
I have to agree with Nice Bloke I have never read so much tosh about a bike i own (for 3 months). He even says "First impressions aren’t always lasting impressions; sometimes you really need to live with a bike for a while to its true qualities to appear" not sure how long he had the bike for but he must have been riding a different one to mine. I have just done the Chesire CAT on mine and it was a total joy. It puts the power down great with just the right amount of complience for long rides. I think maybe as an Ex-professional he must put out so much more power that than us mere mortals so he can flex the frame (or maybe it's the weight of his head ;-)
Top bike as far as I am concerned well reccomened.
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User review of BH Bikes Global Concept G-3 L83 (08)
'Acquired taste' that wins races...........
Having ridden a BH Global Concept for the passed two years I’m amazed at this experts comments. I have just upgraded from the first global concept frame to the G3 frame and after a few rides I feel BH have improved on an already excellent product. I used to ride for team backed by Bianchi and on changing to BH
I found it to be stiffer, lighter and more responsive. I take the BH on my training trips to Majorca and coming down of the mountains this bike has NEVER let me down. One day last year I rode 110miles and did 5 big climbs and descents got back knackered but with the biggest smile on my face, that's what this bike does to you! It climbs like a mountain goat and descends like a bullet. It feels stable and smooth on even the tightest of descents and I do push it to the limit. It also sprints amazing well, I won a big bunch sprint in a road race last summer up against many different bikes and riders. I really can't understand this guy’s review and I wouldn't let it change your mind if you were going to buy one. Best thing to do is ask someone who owns one! I give it 10 out of 10.
Sorry to post this twice but wanted to put my name to it in case people wnated to asked about the bike.
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User review of BH Bikes Global Concept G-3 L83 (08)
My 2p. I did ride this bike, although not for as long as George, who I know gave it a thorough going over. I think both of us prefer stable handling bikes because we've done a lot of racing in Belgium.
Having said that, I had no preconceptions when I jumped on the G3 so I was quite unnverved by the twitchiness of the front end and the super flexy bars.
I would have liked to have tried it on a 10km long twisty climb/descent, as I have a feeling the bike would be more at home in that situation. I'm thinking skinny climbers rather than classics riders.
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User review of BH Bikes Global Concept G-3 L83 (08)
Looks good. Rides well and fast. Very comfortable. Stable: tracks well hands-off:-- even on rough ground. Comes to its best at the end of long rides over badly surfaced roads when on another bike you feel you've had enough. Like an Audax bike for comfort and a racer for speed.
Re Mr Ramelkamps comments. I agree this bike is not for "burly sprinters" - I think the compact chainring already point to the bike's niche--inteded for a "gran fondo" or "sportif".
The "steeply pitched" . Well most frames have settled for a 74deg seat angle -- on the BH this is 2 degrees shallower -- i e 72deg. In fact it is more laid back rather than "plunging"
The "long top-tube". Approx 2 cms are a mathematical consequence of the 2degress shallower angle. (works out at approx 1cm per 1degree). Yet it is not excessively laid back as the seat post has no "lay-back" (a diagram would have made this clearer. please read again)
So when you compare top-tube length reckon too the seat-tube angle.
The "short Steerer." Mine came accomodating two 15mm spacers and I had to shorten. May I respectfully point out that it is poss to flip the stem and gain a lot of height.
"Shimmy". I experienced some of this on the Atlantic Highway (the A39) during the recent gale when the gusts struck me broadsides at the gaps in the hedgebank. However I found the G3 easy to calm as the frame's inherent damping does not allow the oscllations to self-propagate. Incidentally even my Land Rover gets buffetted here
On the whole I got a fast comfy bike. On less than best road surfaces I went faster with more control and less fatigue than on less yielding frames (steel and Al). I think I got a classy bike without paying through the nose for the name of the better known brands.
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User review of BH Bikes Global Concept G-3 L83 (08)
Sorry folks, I don't wish to be "Anonymous". Abraham Cutajar -
Devon, U. K.
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User review of BH Bikes Global Concept G-3 L83 (08)
I'm on my second G3 frame after noticing a small, fine crack in the bottom bracket of the first. Frame replaced no worries by Aus importer.
Unfortunately, I've noticed the same again on my second frame - anyone with similar issues?? I'm a reasonably small guy (71kg) so not overly stressful on the bike
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User review of BH Bikes Global Concept G-3 L83 (08)
I also find the review at the top of the page a bit too harsh. In fact, It's probably the worst review I've ever seen, so I've only registered to debunk it, somewhat.........although, 'hats off' to the guy for having the guts to 'bag' an expensive bike. Most magazine "reviews" are sycophantic, ad revenue-chasing jokes, so it's good to see honest reviews occasionally.
Anyway, I recently bought a 2nd-hand 2006 Global Concept frame-set with a HASA fork (which looks like a Scott copy), so I'm not sure how different mine is to the 2008 model. I only bought the frame because it was dirt cheap ($500 AUD), so I didn't infest much money or 'hope' in it, therefore, I don't really care if it's crap or not; I just wanted an 1118g frame (totally bare -- size 57) because I've never had one before. :-) In other words, I reckon I'm much less biased than someone who's blown their life savings on one.
My only complaint -- and the only thing I agree with the reviewer on -- is that the frame is a little on the flexy side, especially in the front-end when riding off the saddle, but I'm a bigger guy (86kg) and a bit of a masher. Apart from that, the bike handles absolutely perfectly, and is particualrly stable in all situations, including flying down hills on rough roads with no hands on the bars (I have it set-up with no spacers and a 130mm stem)!
I also changed the fork to a stiffer one (an old Colombus Link with and alu steerer), and this improved the front stiffness quite a bit, but, as I said, mine didn't come withthe BH fork, so I dunno what they're like. As a lot of us know, stiff and comfort is largely in the 'eye of the beholder', where people can have different views of the same bike.
Braking and stopping is fine.
My 57cm has a 175mm integrated head-tube, which I don't think is small.
I must say it's a bit concerning that the 71kg has cracked two of them, so maybe I'll save it for the hills :-)
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User review of BH Bikes Global Concept G-3 L83 (08)
I have the exact model being reviewed, and paid £1800 brand new. What bargain, I am not going to be articulate enough to describe how much I like this bike. I own several great machines but this iH s pure class. Fast and smooth to ride, I am 83 kg and powerful in the shoulder, going uphill is a masochistic pleasure with the set up of this bike.
This review, like so many so called 'expert' reviews it seems that you end up with remarks and opinions that are based upon a few minutes experience, and do not really reflect the product.
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Specification
- Name:
- Global Concept G-3 L83 (08)
- Built by:
- BH Bikes
- Price:
- n/a
- Available Sizes:
- L, M, S
- Weight (kg):
- 7.47
Frame & Fork:
- Frame Weight (g):
- 1015 g
- Fork Offset:
- 4.4
- Fork Weight:
- 480 g
- Headset Brand:
- FSA
- Headset Type:
- Fully intergrated sealed catridge
Geometry:
- Seat Angle:
- 72 Degrees
- Head Angle:
- 72 Degrees
- Trail:
- 6.7 cm
Transmission:
- Bottom Bracket Brand:
- FSA
- Bottom Bracket Model:
- External type sealed cartridge alloy cups
- Rear Derailleur Brand:
- Shimano
- Rear Derailleur Model:
- Dura Ace rear
- Front Derailleur Brand:
- FSA
- Front Derailleur Model:
- Energy front braze-on type
- Chain Brand:
- KMC
- Chain Model:
- 10 speed
Wheels:
- Wheels Brand:
- Mavic
- Wheels Model:
- Ksyrium Equipe complete wheelset
- Tyres Brand:
- Michelin
Contact Points:
- Saddle Brand:
- Selle San Marco
- Saddle Model:
- Spide
- Seatpost Brand:
- BH
- Seatpost Model:
- Carbon aero with single bolt forged alloy clamp
- Stem Brand:
- Titan
- Stem Model:
- Carbon with bonded alloy clamps
- Handlebar Brand:
- Titan
- Handlebar Model:
- Carbon antomic oversized
:
- Chainstays (cm):
- 41 cm
- Bottom Bracket Height (cm):
- 27 cm
- Description:
- Frames and Fork set: Full carbon monocoque with headset inserts
- Seat Tube (cm):
- 44 cm
- Standover Height (cm):
- 75.5 cm
- Top Tube:
- 56 cm
- Wheelbase:
- 98 cm
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