Has anyone read the book about the 2006 tour...? In that it is said that Llandis failed for testosterone levels, but goes on to say that it wasn't that these were high, but that his level of epitestosterone was really low and that because of this the ratio of testosteron:epitestosterone was excessive. Sounds a bit harsh and without knowing too much about it the performance benefits of this in cycling seam nil. Also during that tour he passed several previous tests, I think it was after the 17th stage that he took a test that later showed the +ve result, and that it may have been the precious days monumental effort that caused the change in ratio...!

Nonsense

Sounds a bit cookie that he may have been negative. He has had the opportunity to prove the Governing bodies wrong. The perfomance was excessive on that day when he took back the Yellow Jersey. It was a massive ride he did which these days is not seen at all. Almost from another era. I remember all the other Teams and top riders made a good pace which proved useless against Landis' huge strength.

I think Unbelievable rides are exactly that; unbelievable.

I do find it fascinating that who is welcomed back and who is not. Basso is back as is Vino. Landis, Mancebo and Sevilla are not. If anyone knows the logic then please let me know.

-Jerry

He only averaged 360 watts on stage 17, and the chasing teams left it too late to real him in. He is inocent, at least for what they got him for.

MMeanwhile in other news the pope was confirmed to be catholic and bears really do s*** in the woods. What a total non story.

Yes, it's distorting the truth to say that he did a massive unbelievable ride using massive strength. He called the peletons bluff and won as no team was willing to do the work to catch him.

I'm not saying that he did or didn't cheat with taking testosterone, but if he did then it wouldn't have created the 'unbelievable' performance you are hinting at. And if you look at the power figures as mentioned above, it was just an average racing day performance that any rider was capable of.

I agree but it wasnt a high testosterone, the acceptable WADA ratio is now4 parts testosterone to 1 part epitestosterone, 4:1

so if th levels of epitestosterone are higher eg 50% higher a ratio of 2:1 would exist, and it wouldnt be because of more testosterone but more epitestosterone. I dont think that wud offer any performance advantage. Im hugely against drug cheats and used to think the only way to clean it up is a life time ban but the more stories like this u here the more u hav to question the drug testers

What a great shame that we've been robbed of seeing Landis race at the highest level over the past few years. All those that are assuming his guilt should do some further research as I assume Hudster has. Of course I can't say he never cheated, but I can say I think that he is probably no worse than any other rider in the peleton and cetainly he should have been the 'rightful' winner of the '06 TdF. When you read about Landis as well, he sounds like the kind of guy that likes to keep his life simple and I would think that he would have admitted any wrong doing by now if he had taken something - actually if he had admitted guild he probably would be in a top team still a la David Millar! I digress!