Santa Cruz Tallboy 29er (aluminum) review

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Santa Cruz's new Tallboy aluminum

BikeRadar verdict

3.5 out of 5 stars

"An excellent-handling bike – but the carbon version is 1.5lb lighter and tangibly stiffer for $700 more"

Mon 1 Aug 2011, 9:00 am BSTBy

We had our first ride on the new alloy Tallboy back in March, at Santa Cruz's 2012 media launch. Since then we've had an XL sized model at our disposal to throw into the rotation on a regular basis, and we now have a few things to add to the initial impression.

Ride & handling: Very manageable for a big-wheeler

The Tallboy begs to be ridden hard, and it would be comfortable to do so all day. The VPP suspension and big wheels eat up rough terrain, though the 4in (100mm) of rear travel limits the Tallboy to drops of a couple feet or so. The chassis is more than happy to accept a dropper seatpost, with cable bosses for one, and under the right rider, it’s put to good use.

The VPP linkage fights rider-induced squat quite well, which gives the front end a light and poppy feel, especially when combined with relatively short 445mm chainstays. The wheelbase is kept at a manageable length by the short rear end and 71° head tube angle. The trade-off of this fairly steep front end is an occasional tendency to oversteer when pushing into turns.

We rode the bike with a 4.73in (120mm) Fox F29 RLC fork and found the extra travel over the rear end to be much appreciated and the added height manageable. The Tallboy has a tall front end but with a 5° stem we were still able to climb comfortably. The extra 20mm (0.79in) of travel slackens the head angle by roughly half a degree to 70.5°.

Our test bike’s weight of 28.6lb/12.97kg with Shimano XTR pedals (the medium weighs 27.77lb/12.59kg, without pedals) puts it firmly in the 'trail bike' rather than 'cross-country race' category. To this end, we feel the 120mm fork is well warranted, even preferred should your terrain require more cush. The weight of the bike makes the Tallboy a relatively slow climber, but the geometry, VPP suspension and big wheels make it very proficient at the task.

The new tallboy uses the same vpp suspension as the original carbon model: the new tallboy uses the same vpp suspension as the original carbon model

Our test model came equipped with Fox's RP23 rear shock; above its air can is the unused cable boss for a travel adjust seatpost

The Tallboy shines in technical terrain, where the big wheels eat up small- to medium-sized trail features that take more skill and effort to ride smaller wheels over. We were pleasantly surprised by how easy it is to loft the front wheel over obstacles, even when pointed downhill.

We rode numerous fall-away roll-in rock drops at Gooseberry Mesa outside of Hurricane, Utah on the bike. Multiple times we realized mid-move that we’d better level the bike before impact, and surprisingly we were able to; seemingly as easily as with a standard 26in-wheeled bike. On flat terrain, the Tallboy wheelies and even manuals quite well.

That's not to say that the Tallboy is up there with, say, Santa Cruz's 26in-wheeled Blur XC when it comes to hops, flicks, turns and tight terrain. But, and this is a big but, some people actually like – maybe even prefer – this slightly 'lazier' feel, particularly those who are used to riding longer-travel, slacker, 26in trail or downhill bikes.

The 1.5in tapered head tube houses an appropriately stout fork with tapered steerer and 15QR axle, and also accommodates an oversized down tube to help even more with steering precision. For a 100mm-travel cross-country trail bike, the Tallboy’s front end feels perfectly stiff, leaving the only notable bit of flex to be blamed on the front wheel.

Our size XL frame had a touch of flex around the bottom bracket under very heavy load. Though a slight amount of chain growth in VPP may add to this equation, the flex is bad enough to cause the chain to pop off the middle and small rings while powering up and over obstacles during steep climbs. Outside of these almost trials-like situations, the flex doesn't cause any issues but is still noticeable. Our smaller tester did not have this issue, so it could be due to frame size.

The upper swing link on the alloy tallboy is also forged from aluminum: the upper swing link on the alloy tallboy is also forged from aluminum

The non-drive side offers a better view of the VPP suspension design

The VPP suspension pedals very well from the saddle. Pedal-induced movement is perceptible with the RP23 shock's ProPedal switched off, but doesn’t zap enough energy to warrant switching the platform on for every pedaling section of trail, especially while spinning along seated. The Tallboy accelerates just fine for short out-of-saddle bursts, too. That said, having the ability to flip the ProPedal on was appreciated on longer climbs, smoother trails and getting to/from trailheads.

Descending performance is spot-on. The bike feels like it has plenty of travel when wheels are on the ground, though it does show limits on larger, ledge style drops. While our XL tester noted flex, our medium sized tester noticed the bike’s heft on climbs but never noticed any flex from the frame.

Frame: Alloy copy of the proven carbon chassis, with a new lower linkage

Santa Cruz built the Tallboy family of full-suspension 29ers backwards from their norm – carbon fiber first, then aluminum. As a result, the alloy Tallboy is likely heavier than it would have been if it had been designed first. This is because Santa Cruz were unwilling to give up too much of the stiffness designed into the carbon model. For this reason, the Tallboy aluminum also tops out at size XL.

Had Santa Cruz opted to make an XXL frame – the carbon Tallboy is available in this size – it would have made the new bike prohibitively heavy. That's because the same custom butted and shaped tubes (save for the top tube) and complete rear triangles are used on all alloy Tallboy models. Including a down tube stiff enough for the XXL size would have weighed down the entire line.

Both the geometry and evolved VPP suspension design carry over directly from the carbon model, as do the tapered head tube and adjustable angular contact linkage bearings. Running changes have taken place to the newly modified – now asymmetric – lower linkage, which is also newly equipped with thread-in, angled grease ports.

Our XL sized Tallboy – the aluminum bike will simply be known as Tallboy costs $1,850 with a Fox RP2 ($1,973 with an RP23) and weighs 6.67lb (2,020g) on our scale. The carbon versions cost another $700: a medium Tallboy Carbon frame costs $2,550 with a Fox RP2 shock (or $2,673 with Fox’s RP23) and has a claimed weight of 5lb (2,268g).

Tallboy features a new offset lower link that offers more chainring clearance and better protected grease fittings: tallboy features a new offset lower link that offers more chainring clearance and better protected grease fittings

The alloy Tallboy features a new offset lower link that offers more chainring clearance and better protected grease fittings

Equipment: Mid-level spec makes it easy to compare

The 2011 SPX XC build we tested will set you back $4,199. That compares well to Giant’s top model Anthem X 29 at $3,725, Trek’s Superfly 100 at $4,929.99 and Specialized’s Epic Carbon Comp at $4,300. The Tallboy is positioned to give all of these bikes good competition, both in terms of price and performance.

A cheaper option is also available, with a Shimano Deore level 10-speed component package and RockShox Recon fork for $2,299 (yes, that's correct). These component downgrades are likely to push its weight up to or possibly past 30lb. Nonetheless it will make for a great, upgradable entry point.

Our test model was outfitted with top-of-the-line Fox suspension components, which performed very well. The fork's 120mm of travel and 15QR axle were appreciated, and the RLC damper allowed us to tune the fork as wanted. We matched it to the level ‘2’ ProPedal setting on the RP23 rear shock when locked out and ran three clicks (from open) of low speed compression all the time to help hold the fork up in braking and steeper descending.

Stopping was handled by Avid’s Elixir CR, which will likely be replaced by the new Elixir 9 model in the 2012 component package. Shimano’s 10-speed Dyna-Sys XT group handled drive duties. We didn’t use the granny gear during our rides on the Tallboy but we did put the 36-tooth cog to good use cranking up and down Gooseberry’s slow speed technical terrain. Both brakes and XT components performed without flaw.

The wheelset is made up of DT Swiss 350 hubs paired to Mavic TN719 Disc rims, shod in Maxxis 2.1in CrossMark tires and tubes. While we felt that performance was acceptable, we did note some distinct lateral flex in the big wheels when pushing through corners. We couldn't detect any flex coming from cockpit, frame or fork.

The supplied Easton EC70 bar is labeled as 685mm but ours ran a comfortable 700mm wide. The accompanying 90mm EA70 stem didn’t offer quite as much rigidity as something like an Easton Haven, but wasn’t anything close to a noodle, and should do the trick for all but the biggest of riders.

Proving that saddles are completely personal, there were opposing opinions on the WTB Silverado. One tester was stoked that it came with the build kit as it’s his personal favorite, while another felt it was hard on his backside and would’ve much rather opted for another choice. The saddle was mounted on a 30.9mm Thompson Elite seatpost.

Avid's elixir cr works well when bled properly; shimano's xt drivetrain was flawless during our testing: avid's elixir cr works well when bled properly; shimano's xt drivetrain was flawless during our testing

Avid's Elixir CR brake works well when bled properly; Shimano's XT drivetrain was flawless during our testing

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Manufacturers description

Tallboys have become mighty popular bikes in the relatively short time since we introduced them, and they have been getting rave reviews from the press and, more importantly, from the thousands of riders who've rolled off into the sunset aboard them. The pairing of VPP suspension and 29" wheels created a fast rolling, crisp handling, versatile bike that exploits the benefits of big wheels to the best of their advantage, at home anywhere from remote alpine singletrack to crowded jittery start lines. Now the tall can is available in aluminum – same geometry, same lines, same great suspension, teeny bit more weight, whole lot less money.

User Reviews

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  • 12,6 kg without pedals, equal 13kg makes it a slow climber?! You guys are most problably more fit than 99,99999% of potential buyers adn you say it's heavy? 15kgs for a FS trailbike is heavy, but 13 is more than normal. If you wantt o drop a fulls susser below 11kgs you have to pay like 3000 quid, and any bicycle is barely worth it - read BICYCLE as a piece of metal and rubber. Taking into account that it is a 29er with like 300 - 400g of rotating mass more than 26" that is plain light. I know that a big part of your pay checks comes from fueling the hype but C'mon!

    Otherwise good, informative review

  • Why bother with an aluminum version when you are only looking at saving $500? Total bike cost will be $4000 with a decent build, so only saving $500 is minuscule in the grand scheme, and I predict nearly all buyers will instead opt to spend the extra $500 to save the 1.5 lbs; I know I would.

  • An entry level full sus 29er at $2299 sounds almost too good to be true! Anyone know where/if these would be available in the UK? It's tempting....

    :-D

  • @onairnow It is, that price is for the frame

  • I wish they had done a Superlight style single pivot bike instead, if you want a 29er from SC you have to pay through the nose for it

  • @dirtydog11

    The frame only price is $1850.

    The D XC complete bike is $2299.

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Specification

Name:
Tallboy aluminum SPXXC (11)
Built by:
Santa Cruz
Price:
$4199.00

Weight (kg):
12.59
Weight (lb):
27.77

Frame & Fork:

 
Fork Brand:
FOX 32 F29 QR15
Fork Model:
Fox 32 F29 RLC QR15, 120mm travel
Rear Shock Brand:
FOX
Rear Shock Model:
RP23
Headset Brand:
Cane Creek
Headset Type:
custom

Geometry:

 
Seat Angle:
73 Degrees
Head Angle:
71 Degrees

Brakes:

 
Brake Levers:
Avid Elixir CR
Brakes Brand:
Avid
Brakes Model:
Avid Elixir CR

Transmission:

 
Cranks Brand:
Shimano
Cranks Model:
Shimano XT FC-M770-10
Gearing:
10 speed
Bottom Bracket Brand:
Shimano
Bottom Bracket Model:
Shimano XT SMBB70
Rear Derailleur Brand:
Shimano
Rear Derailleur Model:
RD-M773-GS
Front Derailleur Brand:
Shimano
Front Derailleur Model:
FD-M771-10
Shifters Brand:
Shimano
Shifters Model:
Shimano XT SL-M770
Chain Brand:
Shimano
Chain Model:
CN-HG94
Cassette:
Shimano CS-M771-10

Wheels:

 
Rims Brand:
MAVIC
Rims Model:
TN 719 Disc
Front Hub Brand:
DT SWISS 350 SERIES, 15x100mm THRU AXLE
Front Hub Model:
DT Swiss 350 QR15
Rear Hub Brand:
DT Swiss
Rear Hub Model:
350
Tyres Brand:
Maxxis
Front Tyre Model:
Crossmark
Front Tyre Size:
2.1in
Rear Tyre Model:
Crossmark
Rear Tyre Size:
2.1in

Contact Points:

 
Saddle Brand:
WTB Silverado Race SL
Saddle Model:
Silverado
Seatpost Brand:
Thompson
Seatpost Model:
Elite
Stem Brand:
Easton
Stem Model:
EA70
Handlebar Brand:
Easton
Handlebar Model:
EC70
Grips/Tape Brand:
Lizard Skin
Grips/Tape Model:
Charger

:

 
Manufacturer's Description:
Tallboys have become mighty popular bikes in the relatively short time since we introduced them, and they have been getting rave reviews from the press and, more importantly, from the thousands of riders who've rolled off into the sunset aboard them. The pairing of VPP suspension and 29" wheels created a fast rolling, crisp handling, versatile bike that exploits the benefits of big wheels to the best of their advantage, at home anywhere from remote alpine singletrack to crowded jittery start lines. Now the tall can is available in aluminum – same geometry, same lines, same great suspension, teeny bit more weight, whole lot less money.
Bottom Bracket Height (in):
12.8 in
Chainstays (in):
17.5
Seat Tube (in):
17.7 in
Standover Height (in):
29.2 (in)
Top Tube (in):
23 in
Wheelbase (in):
42.6 in
Description:
Santa Cruz's Tallboy aluminum full suspension 29in wheeled bike

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